Quoting ARLO J BENSINGER JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> [Platt]
> My thought exactly. Arlo's "self-as-concept" begs the question, "What isn't a
> concept?
> 
> [Arlo]
> Inorganic patterns of value, biological patterns of value, and social patterns
> of value. 

How are those not concepts? Are they not ideas? Are not "patterns"
symbolic abstractions from direct experience?

> If the self is NOT a concept, which is it? A biological pattern? Substance?
> Energy? Where does the "self" exist apart from it's being a "collection of
> ideas"?

Again begging the question: Where does anything exist apart from being a 
collection
of ideas?



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