Ian, Jorge, I'm by no means an absolutist on this issue, I see Quality and energy as being very similar, Jorge disagrees but hey, I'm here to alter my perceptions. Chauvinism may be the appropriate term for it. But every time I hear Quality or energy described, the description sounds very similar. Trying to get a grasp on static patterns of value in physical terms (is what Pirsig has led me to believe it is) is rather difficult without This metaphor. Just what exactly are static patterns of value in the physical universe then? What analogy is best suited for this concept If any? -Ron
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian glendinning Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MD] Patterns Jorge, Ron, Marsha et al, Time and Energy. I think this equating DQ to Energy is another kind of chauvinism. Like, as we peel back the levels of physics we find things that look more fundamental - at one level we might see the vacuum as alive with energy and conclude that material particles (dynamic stuff) are just patterns in this energetic activity and point at Einstein's equivalence (E=Mc2) to back up the thought. I go one level further and say that energy potential is just any significant differences / changes in that vacuum - quantum information I might say - all energy and matter comes from these information patterns. But I'd still be choosing a comfortable perspective - my preferred metaphor. Very similar view to Ron's though. Interestingly, I too like Dennett's "time chauvinism" - thought I'd forgotten it until Marsha reminded us. Joining up some dots again, finding alternate time perspectives is what this link is about. (I posted it in the time stopping thread.) http://www.steventaylor.talktalk.net/time.htm Ian Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
