To all M-o-Q'ers Ron to Jorge: (You are dividing quality by subject / object. Calling subjective, quality and quantity objective, when it all is quality every last bit. Man is the measure.)
I think this is how MoQ stands as it is. Energy is mystical And also measurable, Quality is mystical but also measurable. Both methods of measure are subjective and relative. Both May not be defined in any absolute terms both assume infinite forms. Both are (information encoded in ever higher emergent patterns, not reducible to the lower substrate patterns.)-Ian I really do not think this is chauvinism, I think this is MoQ. MoQ may be chauvinistic though, this is still open to debate. Addressing the thread with SA, since Pirsig states that man is the measure And reality as we know it is ultimately subjective in nature, it is Reasonable to conclude that everything is experienced from a human Perspective. MoQ is a human concept about reality not reality itself. The closest we may come to reality itself is by immediate experience. But even that is not the whole picture, just a fraction of it. MoQ is aware that any concept humans formulate is going to be Anthropomorphic, chauvinistic and heterogeneous in nature, it must be in order to be understood by humans. This is the important feature to keep in mind when intellectualizing MoQ. Something that I feel is being overlooked in these discussions. To me, the most fundamental differences between MoQ And SOM are: 1. Reality is a subjective interpretation. 2. Absolute objective reality does not exist. 3. All reality is patterns of value, every last bit. I invite anyone to debate that any one of these are not Part of the basic tenets of MoQ. Screw Hitler, Christianity and communism, for the moment, lets get this ironed out Before we go any further with MoQ talk. All are welcome to reply. As a matter of fact I would Appreciate an answer from everyone even if it is in agreement. Thank you. -Ron Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
