At 10:46 AM 2/20/2008, you wrote:
>Marsha: "Hmmm. We must be cautious of a time-scale
>chauvinism."
>Jorge: I think I am cautious so as to avoid
>chauvinism but,
>what would you mean by "time-scale chauvinism'?
>Interested to know, so as not to fall into it.
>
>Marsha: Daniel Dennett speaks of 'time-scale
>chauvinism' in his book
>'Kinds of Minds'. "It's the bias in favor of our own
>normal pace that makes us misjudge _patterns of
>evolutionary change. Change that can take place at
>such a slow pace that they are invisible, or
>non-existent, at our normal information uptake, so
>easy to overlook"
>
>Jorge (current): Thanks, Marsha, for the quote. It
>certainly illustrates your point. I tend to think
>though that from all the chauvinisms we are so prone
>to adopt, the time-scale one is the most difficult to
>avoid.
>
> We might be willing to dispose of gender chauvinism,
>or race or culture chauvinism, but not of the
>time-scale one. This "bias in favor of our own normal
>pace", as Dennet puts it, has far more to do with
>retaining our identity than the other chauvinisms.
>Nothing like viewing time in terms of the evolutionary
>time-scale or, even worse, a cosmological time-scale
>make us feel insignificant, dwarfed, not only as
>individuals but as Humanity at large. To think that
>Humanity may be just a fleeting episode in a
>evolutionary process or just a speckle of time in
>cosmological terms it's the ind of thought pattern
>we'd rather avoid. Don't you think so?
>
Marsha:
No, I don't think that it's a problem at all.
>Marsha: Also, would you call 'science' a 'thing'?
>Seems to me it is a cluster of spovs, or a spov with
>component spovs.
>Jorge (current): Only as far as ideas are 'things' and
>hence, systems of ideas, systems of things. In a
>recent exchange with Craig, we got, after some logical
>reasoning, to the conclusion that
>[spovs = things]
>(using 'things' and 'spovs' in their widest senses).
>So, if you say "cluster of spovs" it might be the same
>as saying "cluster of things".
I wonder if value = things?
Oh, you are going through an exercise in symbolic logic. Okay, I'll
stay out that and let you & Craig play that game.
Marsha
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collection of overlapping, interrelated, inorganic, biological,
social and intellectual, static patterns of value.
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