On Saturday 23 February 2008 9:37 PM Ham addresses Joseph: Joseph -- > As an amateur singer I have respect for the tonal octave. > The change in pace between Do-Si and Fa-Mi requires > special attention. I use the octave as a model for > evolution, following esoteric literature. MOQ, a meta-level > is properly placed in the consciousness, inner-only level in > the sixth place.
[Ham] I had forgotten that you are a musician. Strangely, I was thinking just tonight about the progression of chords as related to the octave, and whether I might have used such an illustration in my essay on value sensibility. As you know, a "perfect cadence" of a song or any musical composition typically involves the dominant moving to the tonic. I'm rusty on solfagio, but I believe your "si" would be a diminished V chord (dominant triad) resolving to the I (tonic triad). Most often the progression is IV-->V-->I. [Ham] This is interesting because it demonstrates a kind of "esthetic" logic that satisfies the senses rather then the intellect. But it's important to note that this effect is relative in that it works only for the western-trained musician whose ear is tuned to the tempered octave. This chordal progression does not evoke the same feeling of tension resolution in 12-tone (French impressionistic) music, for example, or in Arabian or Chinese music based on other tonal scales. [Ham] I'm curious as to what significance the "sixth place" (La) has in your octave, and why you feel it merits special distinction as a "meta-level" (intellectual?). Perhaps you can explain this for those of us with some musical training. Regards, Ham Hi Ham and all. [Joe] IMO In the octave of universal creation the sixth place is earth, starting from an Absolute, Do (1), -(shock), Si, 3 (level of all possible system of worlds), La 6 (Level of our Milky Way), Sol 12 (level of our Sun), Fa 24 (level of Planets as one mass, Mi 48 (level of our earth), Re 96 (Level of our Moon), the final note. (The Commentaries by Maurice Nicoll Vol 1 p 122.) The numbers refer to laws. I don¹t know if this schema is taken from Pythagoras¹ Harmony of the spheres. It has been a staple in esoteric literature for a long time. IMO On an ascending scale, Starting from the moon as DO, the ninth level is Do-Sol the level of our Sun. Contracting the whole ascending octave as laws: Do, Re, Mi (the influence of the Moon on organic life), Fa, Sol, La, (The influence of Earth in the Growth of consciousness to Meta-level MOQ), Ti-Fa (The Planets as one Mass--, enlightenment),Do-Sol (Complete creative activity of consciousness by a return to the Sun.) ibid. 123 Joe On 2/23/08 9:37 PM, "Ham Priday" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Joseph -- > > > >> As an amateur singer I have respect for the tonal octave. >> The change in pace between Do-Si and Fa-Mi requires >> special attention. I use the octave as a model for >> evolution, following esoteric literature. MOQ, a meta-level >> is properly placed in the consciousness, inner-only level in >> the sixth place. > > I had forgotten that you are a musician. Strangely, I was thinking just > tonight about the progression of chords as related to the octave, and > whether I might have used such an illustration in my essay on value > sensibility. As you know, a "perfect cadence" of a song or any musical > composition typically involves the dominant moving to the tonic. I'm rusty > on solfagio, but I believe your "si" would be a diminished V chord (dominant > triad) resolving to the I (tonic triad). Most often the progression is > IV-->V-->I. > > This is interesting because it demonstrates a kind of "esthetic" logic that > satisfies the senses rather then the intellect. But it's important to note > that this effect is relative in that it works only for the western-trained > musician whose ear is tuned to the tempered octave. This chordal > progression does not evoke the same feeling of tension resolution in 12-tone > (French impressionistic) music, for example, or in Arabian or Chinese music > based on other tonal scales. > > I'm curious as to what significance the "sixth place" (La) has in your > octave, and why you feel it merits special distinction as a "meta-level" > (intellectual?). Perhaps you can explain this for those of us with some > musical training. > > Regards, > Ham > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
