Hello Joseph You wrote: I disagree that in Pirsig's thought "patterns" and "realities" are disparate entities inasmuch as Qualities are values in existence. IMO as I read Pirsig I find self-consciousness, proprietary-awareness of thoughts, feelings, sensations as the structure of the social level. SOL is the structure of the intellectual level.
Me: I would also not say that realities and patterns are disparate entities, but I would say that "seen" from within each pattern, "reality" looks different, so to speak. So would you agree that the Subject/Object view of "reality" is the basis for the intellectual level? And if you do, how would you categorize the MOQ? Joseph: In the writings of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky I read more about the mechanical "I" which can evolve to a conscious "I". IMO you misread Pirsig by attributing to him a dismissal of selfness. His struggle is self. IMO your description of physical reality being based in awareness has no foundation and is not real. I do not agree with your concept that "conscious awareness" is a sensible contingent. IMO "conscious awareness" is the quality of evolution to the social level. Oops Evolution! A value in existence. Me: Would you care to expand on your thoughts about "conscious awareness" growing out of the social level, or maybe that is the wrong way to put it, but what kind of awareness do you think it is that would emerge first? Oh, and I think you are right on with that remark on evolution. Regards Chris Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
