Quoting Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Ron: > > One of which is superiority and dominance, which you feel is what > Pirsig > > meant not balance. > > power to dominate or defeat. Correct? This is better-ness, not > balance. > > > > > > Thusly atheism is moral. > > > > > > Lying, cheating stealing and killing is moral > > If done for profit, gain and superiority. > > > > > > Is this what you mean? > > > Platt: > No. Lying, cheating, stealing and killing are biological patterns. > Social > patterns dominate by punishing these bio-patterns. Pirsig says intellect > > dominates social patterns and that such dominance is better, i.e., more > moral. > The problem is that SOM intellect doesn't provide for morals at all. > > Ron: > But MoQ does. That of superiority. > But aren't individuals More moral than biological or social?
Yes. But the SOM intellectual pattern that dominates today's individuals has no provision for morals. Ron: >If an > individual using MoQ > Morality uses the biological and the social to achieve intellectual > Superiority, morality is served is it not? Sorry, don't follow you. Can you give an example? > Are you saying that the social level is required? Yes. All levels are required to be human. > Why can't individuals, free of the social collective, perform morally? Currently they are dominated intellectually by amoral SOM. > Why can't Intellect exploit biological to moral ends? The only moral ends current intellect understands are religious and traditional. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
