Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > No. Lying, cheating, stealing and killing are biological patterns. > > [Arlo] > No. > > Let's take a closer look, first "stealing". On the biological level, > there is no such thing as stealing. Pirisg refers to a "might makes > right" orientation, but the thing to remember is that when a wolf > takes a leg of lamb from another wolf it is not "stealing" it. > "Property" is a social level pattern. What the wolf does is purely > moral on the biological level. > > "Stealing" occurs only when the social pattern of "property" meets > the biological moralness of self-preservation. "Stealing" is not a > biological pattern, it is a moral pronouncement of the superiority of > social codes of property over the biological organism's right to > self-preservation. It is the social level that says the butcher's > "property" is more moral than the man's need to satiate his > hunger."Stealing" is a social level statement of value, not a > biological pattern. > > "Lying" is much the same, abeit it far more nuanced that I can get > into here. Simply, it is a moral statement of intellect asserting its > dominance over social patterns. It says that manipulation of facts > (intellectual patterns) to serve social ends (social patterns) is > immoral. But it is NOT a "biological pattern". > > "Killing", I might agree with some qualifications, is the result of > intra-level biological conflict, but when we use it here we are > expressing an intellectual level value that the word does not have on > the biological level. Thus, while a wolf may kill another wolf, this > act is not immoral within the biological level. We also (most) do not > see the "killing" of a wolf by a man to be "immoral". And, we also do > not see the "killing" of a man by a wolf to be indicative of "immoral > behavior" on the part of the wolf. As such I think "killing" (in the > sense of man killing another man) is a value expression of the > conflict between intellectual level values and biological and social > level values.
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