Ron. 26 Feb. you wrote:
> But what does MORAL mean to you? Is moral "struggle" > Or "domination"? Bo: I'm not sure what your questions asks, but I will try to explain the basics of the MOQ. Normally - in SOM that is - what's right and wrong (moral) is something subjective, existing only for us, there is no moral "out there". Pirsig's beginning LILA with anthropology was to show that a study of human societies from SOM's premise - that of moral as non-existent - leads nowhere. Only from the premises of moral as reality itself can anything be understood. But this is resisted by science and anthropology is a scientific discipline, so he realized that anthropology as the means to show that moral is the very essence of reality weren't viable. He understood that a total upheaval was needed: A Quality Metaphysics. (That the terms moral, value and ethics are variants over the master-term "Quality" is taken for granted ...no?). Hence the MOQ which splits reality along the Dynamic Moral/Static Moral line and then the known static moral levels and between them a constant struggle. Ron: > American Intellectual morals condemned Nazi Social morals, > What are intellectual morals? As follows from the MOQ premises there also exist as a moral struggle between the social and intellectual levels. Pirsig says somewhere that all human conflict is based in the social/intellect one. He of course means since the intellectual level emerged because there surely were a lot of inter-social conflicts at the time when that level was "leading edge". OK, this easily becomes about the pesky intellectual level, but again it's clear that the SOL interpretation is mandatory to understand the social/intellectual conflict. Meaning that the intellectual level is what is described in ZAMM as the emergence of SOM. Its objectivity deemed the old social Aretê the place in its subjective realm, something that the social level won't have because it's the parent of intellect. The rest is history, the last social value's stand in Western World was Nazism and Fascism versus the Allied Forces, representing intellectual morals - democracy the primary pattern. > I missed this part asleep drooling On my test paper. Are you speaking > of Christian philosophy? Yes, you must have missed kindergarten and most of the lower classes. But seriously, one must understand the enormity of the MOQ scope. Christianity along with other (at least the Semitic type) religions is to be found inside the level framework subordinated the static moral system - not sources of moral as they themselves claim. OK, you are probably fast asleep already so I stop here, but I'm a bit shocked at people participating in this discussion with such a weak grasp of the basics of the MOQ. You are not alone however and a nice guy otherwise ;-). Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
