SA: =) I see why you are puzzled. MOQ:
But no, static patterns are not evil, they are after all static patterns of Good. The rituals and stuff surrounding Zen is static social patterns. What it is aiming at is not. Zen: In the Diamond Sutra it is written that "the mind should be kept independent of any thought that arises within it" Thus if anyone went into Zen thinking that they knew what Zen was they would "fail". For me these are not in conflict. When I discuss the MOQ that's what I do, I find philosophising something that has very High Value for me, and a part of me. When I practice Zen, I sit. It works quite well. =) Furthermore I hope I have made it clear my position that if the MOQ takes on too much characteristics of the way Zen or mysticism is talked about it will hurt the MOQ and bring it down. It will become a social pattern. In my book - thought I know you don't agree with this interpretation of the MOQ =) Thank you for the quotes by the way. Quite nice. Regards Chris > SA: Pirsig states static quality is evil. You state > Zen, when discussed, is evil. Looks to me, that Zen > is dynamic and when discussed is evil and a lie when > analogized as sq being evil in dq's perspective as > follows: > [Lila; Ch. 9] > "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting > edge of reality, the source of all things, completely > simple and always new. It was the moral force that had > motivated the brujo in Zuni. It contains no pattern of > fixed rewards and punishments. Its only perceived good > is freedom and its only perceived evil is static > quality itself..." > SA continues: I don't see this evil and good stuff as > being interpretated in the SOM standards of evil is > bad and you never, ever want to do it, and good is > what you must do or go to hell. We like to talk. We > like Zen. I'm pointing out that if you say talking > about Zen is something you will not do, but the moq is > mirrored in the same way (on this topic), yet, you go > on talking about the moq. - ? - See where I'm puzzled > by your approach? > Who will be 6th patriarch in China went briefly > as this: > > > Shen Hsiu wrote: > > "Our body is the Bodhi-tree, > And our mind a mirror bright.? > Carefully we wipe them hour by hour, > And let no dust alight." > > Hui Neng went on to rebuttal with this stanza and the > 5th patriarch passed on to Hui Neng the honor of > patriarch after this. Stanza as follows: > > "There is no Bodhi-tree, > Nor stand of a mirror bright.? > Since all is Void, > Where can the dust alight?" > > - Platform Sutra > ON THE HIGH SEAT OF" THE TREASURE OF THE LAW" > The Sutra of the 6th Patriarch, Hui Neng > > http://zen.thetao.info/read/platform.htm > > > SA continues: I say all is Void so what do words > matter. All is quality so what do words matter. > By the way, if anything, the site has a very > cool picture of the mummified Hui Neng. > > > oh, my son's ripping up some paper in the printer, > uh, now his gettin' behind the cage to the fireplace - > oh, he's stuck - no wait, he got out, but he's gettin' > into too much, > gotta go save the house, > SA > > > P.S. Your a patient, friendly, good discussioner. Thanks. > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
