Chris:
> Well, mysticism, a hard defined word, but religion
> is quite definitely a
> social pattern in my book. Zen perhaps too, but what
> it's aiming at, and
> other religions too perhaps would in my MOQ
> understanding be Dynamic
> Quality, or a Quality awareness unbroken by static
> patterns. That's fine,
> and well incorporable with a SOL MOQ. I'm just
> saying, that when I practice
> Zen I should not think in this manner, then I will
> get further away from
> Zen. Am I making myself understood?
SA: See below as to why I think, you think, that
talking on the moq forum is evil and a lie. I've left
this behind us, the above topic. No big deal. We
have different perspectives. Again, this is the
well-spring of democracy and I don't think we have to
agree, as long as we can still chat.
> >SA previously:
> > This is a question, near the current topic,
> but slightly not the same. Do you really think what
> > happens on this forum is evil and as such, a lie?
> > Please explain.
Chris:
> I don't understand why you would think this? I love
> this discussions, and I
> believe that the MOQ, if properly used could bring
> about real Betterness.
SA: Pirsig states static quality is evil. You state
Zen, when discussed, is evil. Looks to me, that Zen
is dynamic and when discussed is evil and a lie when
analogized as sq being evil in dq's perspective as
follows:
[Lila; Ch. 9]
"Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting
edge of reality, the source of all things, completely
simple and always new. It was the moral force that had
motivated the brujo in Zuni. It contains no pattern of
fixed rewards and punishments. Its only perceived good
is freedom and its only perceived evil is static
quality itself..."
SA continues: I don't see this evil and good stuff as
being interpretated in the SOM standards of evil is
bad and you never, ever want to do it, and good is
what you must do or go to hell. We like to talk. We
like Zen. I'm pointing out that if you say talking
about Zen is something you will not do, but the moq is
mirrored in the same way (on this topic), yet, you go
on talking about the moq. - ? - See where I'm puzzled
by your approach?
Who will be 6th patriarch in China went briefly
as this:
Shen Hsiu wrote:
"Our body is the Bodhi-tree,
And our mind a mirror bright.
Carefully we wipe them hour by hour,
And let no dust alight."
Hui Neng went on to rebuttal with this stanza and the
5th patriarch passed on to Hui Neng the honor of
patriarch after this. Stanza as follows:
"There is no Bodhi-tree,
Nor stand of a mirror bright.
Since all is Void,
Where can the dust alight?"
- Platform Sutra
ON THE HIGH SEAT OF" THE TREASURE OF THE LAW"
The Sutra of the 6th Patriarch, Hui Neng
http://zen.thetao.info/read/platform.htm
SA continues: I say all is Void so what do words
matter. All is quality so what do words matter.
By the way, if anything, the site has a very
cool picture of the mummified Hui Neng.
oh, my son's ripping up some paper in the printer,
uh, now his gettin' behind the cage to the fireplace -
oh, he's stuck - no wait, he got out, but he's gettin'
into too much,
gotta go save the house,
SA
P.S. Your a patient, friendly, good discussioner. Thanks.
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