Hi Krim see comments
> Also I disagree with David M in our usually yeah, but... sort of way. To > my > way of think the scientific view is not so much "value-free" as > "regardless > of value". DM: My point is that looking for patterns is to value looking for patterns, and you need an idea about the patterns that interest you. Scientists are attempting to isolate patterns of value that hold > regardless of what the observer thinks. DM: But they don't, the data does not change, but what makes facts and info all depends on the interpretation and what you are trying to do or find. In other words certain outputs are > likely to result from certain inputs whether we like it or not. The > cautions > of positivism against the interjection of personal values into research > are > not without foundation. I have noted Castaneda and Meade and would add the > 'intelligent design' crew to highlight to negative impact of finding what > we > want to find. DM: Scientists are always motivated and are looking for certain results, admitting whether you have found them or not is about honesty not about what you think or value as ain't gonna look unless you are looking for something. > > While it is true that scientists of necessity adopt some point of view it > strikes me as more of a meta-point of view or perhaps a provisional point > of > view than as a critical fault. DM: the fault is not having an interest or values or assumptions, the fault is pretending you are operating from an impossible value free or god-like and non-human position. Hope that clarifies. regards David M Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
