[Krimel] > This is nitpicky DM: So I'm right and free to value it as key and not nitpicky!
> [Krimel] . While their values and preconceptions > may shape what they do, the possibility of being forced to change those > values is central to the enterprise. DM nitpicking: Yes, but when you only look for apples you might miss the oranges, this is an unavoidable risk that needs tobe acknowledged > > [Krimel] > It was not unclear to begin with. DM: Funny, cos what you said I was saying was not what I was saying, I think that is unclear. I just don't think this is an indictment > of science so much as perhaps some scientists. DM: Not what I am saying. I indict the philosophy of science that mis-describes what scientists actually do. See Nick Maxwell's book on science as neurotic. And this double talk means you can do weapons research in the name of knowledge inquiry instead of in the name of weapons research That said the MindWalk movie > makes a couple of interesting points along these lines. First is that in > many disciplines of science, ethics is not among the required courses. > Certainly ethics courses are being required in most medical programs and > in > some business schools (where one could argue the problem is much worse) > but > certainly more could and should be done. DM: Also see various orgnisations for responsibility in science. > > Second the point is made that much research is done at the behest those > funding the research and that about 70% of research funding comes from the > military. In an era where lots of money is required to do basic research > tragically that other Golden Rule applies and scientists may be forced to > look for what they are paid to look for. DM: Science is an activity and it has ends, what ends should it have, Nick Maxwell suggests that it should be to 'realise what is of value'. Of course, we need a proper discussion, research, experiments as to what is of value. > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
