Hi Arlo, yes, many a true word spoken unwittingly in cynical humour, but of course not all mistakes (learning opportunities) are created equal. (What's that other series of gags, where "dumb" people contribute to their own demise and thereby strengthen the surviving gene / meme pool for the rest of us ?)
The point of those small island communities mentioned, is that by definition they have lesser (subset of) globally evolved patterns to work with. They maybe didn't have (or at any rate, value) those intellectual patterns that linked their interdependent biological and social patterns. You, Krim and others clearly do. That's not a superiority issue, just a simple matter that any whole (particulartly oner that recognises its holes and dynamic interdependencies, as well as its components) is greater than the sum of its parts (components). For me it's a truism that any simplification hides underlying complexity. The MoQ is by definition a simplification - albeit a useful (pragmatic) one. Ian On 3/18/08, Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Ian] > And maybe it was in the grand scheme of things. They're only small > islands - fractions of the human cosmos... - and other members of > the greater cosmos (ie you) were able to > learn that lesson. > > [Arlo] > This sounds eerily like the Despair.com demotivational poster for > "Mistakes" - "It could be that the purpose of your life is only to > serve as a warning to others". > > http://www.despair.com/mis24x30prin.html > > [Ian to Krimel] > I think what you highlight is not a so much a problem with MoQ, but a > problem with (some) people expecting simplistic / normative / > prescriptive rules to automagically pop out of it, without > understanding, explanation and enlightenment > > [Arlo] > I think this was Krimel's point. I'd add that I, too, find the > "levels in conflict" metaphor too simplistic. More often than not, > the upper levels' relations with the lower are akin to gardening > (rather than "mining", which would be the conflict/superiority > metaphor). Yes, sometimes outright hostile conflict occurs, and yes, > morality sides with the higher level, but these few examples don't > relate the complex balance and (dare I say it) ecology of the MOQ. > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
