Hi Krimel (and Bo should read this too)
I don't think we've "met" here before, but that was great stuff in your
last post. It's here we should look for the origins of the MoQ levels,
not sure if you touched those much in this thread before.
> The molecular inventions of the Dynamic force are imbued with agency of
> their own. They reciprocate, preserve, replace, they work together. How does
> parsing out all of this agency explain anything? Nothing significant about
> the description is altered by removing it.
Right! DQ is given way too much credit in these events. Attributing it
to DQ makes it too easy to transform DQ into something religious.
However, we also have the 4 static levels, and I have a long history in
trying to spot them in also these early structures. For example, the
cell Pirsig describes as a dynamic nuclei and the big static protective
protein is in my view a society. The whole cell is better than the sum
of its constituents. They live in symbiosis and they are held together,
not by gravity or some other inorganic value, but by the simple fact
that it's socially better to stick together than not. The "glue" that
makes them bond is their biological attraction to eachother. It's this
biological glue that made them find eachother valuable in the first
place, and it's also the glue that facilitates communication between
them (language).
I have a rather new (well, new to me anyway) idea when it comes to this,
and given your last post, perhaps you have something to add to it. I
suspect the basis for the biological level is how well two different
molecules fit together in 3 dimensions. This is, as far as I understand,
how the active part of medicines work, and it's then not very far
fetched to conclude that this is also the basis for taste and smell.
This would also explain why taste and smell usually triggers a more
intense sensation than other senses, and can make us remember a
particular piece of wood we tasted almost 40 years ago (including who
was there and the weather). Those senses are the oldest and are
built-into every cell of our body. The other senses, hearing, sight and
touch came much later.
> Ian and Arlo have talked about approaches taken by theoretical physicists to
> conceptualize how variations in cosmic constants might alter the probability
> of life. This can be addressed to some extent through computer simulations.
> Some mix and match values for known cosmic forces. Others like Wolfram work
> with artificially constructed set of rules to see how they interact to
> promote complexity and growth in virtual environments.
Haven't read much about those, but I suspect they would find the four
levels in those universes as well, but in very different forms. Even if
it's impossible to make heavier atoms than hydrogen, and even if a lower
gravity makes it impossible to ignite stars. As long as the environment
is dynamic enough to allow change, and static enough to allow things
staying the same for a while, then the four levels will get to work and
trigger some kind of life.
Magnus
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