At 07:37 AM 3/23/2008, you wrote:
>Marsha,
>
>      I don't know how many sutras exist, but here's
>another one that I've currently read half-way through
>called Vimalakirti Nirdesa Sutra.  What I find
>pertinent to this specific sutra is how a layman
>teaches highly disciplined Buddhist monks, instead of
>the other way around.  This clearly outlines how
>buddhism is understood by anybody, anywhere, and one
>may continually live their life in a zen fashion
>(which zen schools find this sutra of particular
>interest), have a family, be, well, a laywo/man.  I
>find this sutra to be very practical, and Amerindian
>like.  Where Amerindians valued living and
>spirituality, they still had families and societies.
>The spiritual and practical walked hand and hand.  The
>metaphysical is lived, not just armchaired in the
>extreme thinking of what to do, but never or hardly
>being able to do where armchairs say until we all
>agree, and then we'll be able to discuss quality - you
>know putting quality off without being able to live
>quality in the moment.  We do much all day and night,
>and being able to sincerely live with quality at
>interest is genuine.  So here's what the sutra is
>about in brief form:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimalakirti_Sutra
>
>SA continues:  Here's the Vimalakirti Nirdesa Sutra:
>
>http://www.empty-universe.com/prajnaparamita/vimalakirti.htm
>
>
>SA continues:  This sutra is of the Mayhayana Buddhist
>tradition, which as I mentioned in another thread,
>Mayhayana professes Buddha Realms, thus, to analogize,
>is democratic (not the political party, I'm pointing
>to the act of democracy).

Hi SA,

Thanks for the information on the Vimalakirti Nirdesa Sutra.  It 
looks very interesting.

You mentioned how important it is to live quality in action rather 
than from the armchair.  It reminds me of ZMM when RMP states the 
difference between experiencing the world within the compartment of a 
car and on a motorcycle.  In a car, "You're a passive observer and it 
is all moving by you boringly in a frame.  On a cycle the frame is 
gone. You're completely in contact with it all. You're in the scene, 
not just watching it anymore, and the sense of presence is 
overwhelming."   I think the more you understand, the stronger the 
calling to experience things deeply.

Still being in an upside-down, backwards frame-of-mind, I have 
decided to read The Platform Sutra first.  "... But the nature of 
reality is simply your own nature."  How clear can you get?  Gives 
new significance to the statement originally by the Pythia of Delphi, 
and later by Socrates, "Know thyself."

Nothing wrong with analogizing. Unless, of course, you have chosen 
the role of Herr Goebbels.  But I sense by using the word 
'democratic' you understand this.

In the other thread, you state that you're schizo.  Let see.  James 
Brown was black and proud.  SA is schizo and ______?  (Fill in the 
blank.)  Dynamic maybe?  I think so.


quiet,

Marsha









Shoot for the moon.  Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars...  

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