Greetings,
> >SA previously: Is your family heritage
interesting? Not the
> >details of your family heritage, but do members of
> >your family wonder about your family tree? (not
> the human family tree for all of the earth, but your
> >father, mother, grandparents, etc...)
Marsha:
> I cannot decipher this question. Who or what are
> you asking about? Most people have an interesting
story.
> Don't you think?
SA: What I wrote didn't come out very clear, your
right. I meant, do you think about your grandparents
and family lineage from time to time? When you get
together with your family, even your grandson, does
the topic of your families lineage come up at times?
For instance, do you talk about what your grandfather
or great grandmother did when they were such and such
an age or what kind of job's they had, their travels,
what country they may have come from, etc...?
Marsha:
> How did it happen that you read ZMM?
SA: In my philosophy of society course at the
university we read and discussed Thorstein Veblen,
Henry David Thoreau, and the Greek Cynics. He
mentioned ZMM all throughout the semester. Kept
asking if anybody heard and/or read the book. He
would say almost every single class at some point,
"Oh, did I mention that ZMM is a good book." or
something kin to this. Near the end of the semester
the professor mentioned how he probably should have
had us read that book. I remembered him mentioning
the book, read it, and saw the link to the website at
the end of the book, which lead me here. I thought
the book was ver similar to what I experienced and
thought. ZMM is a part of a web of thoughts on a
similar page.
I mentioned Nirvana, the music band, in another
thread, but since I brought up family in this thread
this is pertinant here. The other day my cousin, who
is in his first of college, asked me what music I
listen to. I said I like old jazz, classic music
(Beethovan, Mozart, and such), and I mentioned how I
liked Nirvana a lot when I was younger and I still
listen to them occasionally now. He said Nirvana
started it all. I knew what he meant in his
generational terms, but wanted to be sure. My brother
who is a few years younger than I said, "He means
Nirvana influenced the bands of today." I guess the
sound of Nirvana influenced a lot of today's bands
much as Led Zepplin, Buddy Holly, Sonic Youth, and
Leadbelly influenced Kurt Cobain of Nirvana. I've
noticed the music hasn't changed much since the tail
end of the 80's into the early 90's. My brother who
is in touch with current bands at small venues
mentioned how many bands are in Austin, TX where
friends of mine and his moved. Here's another band
from Iceland that is ok, but I haven't listened to
them that much, only two songs that my brother showed
me a few days ago. I like them. I keep listening and
see what happens. Iceland bands name is "Sigur Ros"
as follows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDxMQaMqsig
SA continues: Ah... something just caught my eye out
the window - second turkey vulture I've seen... spring
is on its' way, the turkey vultures ride winds that
blow from the south to the north during their
migration back north.
I'm listening to this song now by the same band.
This one is the most upbeat of their songs I've heard
thus far, it is very good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBTH2E5QPEE&NR=1
Marsha:
> I spent 2 days in Athens. I might have walked where
> Socrates once did his thing (harangue prominent
citizens). I was
> thrilled! I spent a day in the Archeological
Museum. I wept!
SA: That is amazing! I have a similar feel as I walk
in the woods, especially deep in the woods where it is
quiet, and more pristine and I sense a deep time,
where Amerindians walked, and even deeper. When I
meditate, especially in the woods, the experience of
Buddha, Dogen, Dali Lama, and others comes to me
spontaneously. I know while I'm sitting in meditation
these same people did the same, and others are doing
this and the depth of quiet, the touching the fabric
of the universe, these people did this same activity
thousands of years ago up to present times, the feel
and depth in experience of similar activity is
thrilling and deep.
Marsha:
> I have heard it stated that India, because it is
> democratic, will
> become a major influence in the world. More than
> China, which is
> still under tight control. And more than the
> MiddleEast which has so
> many scared. What is the new rich class doing with
> its money? What
> do they value? I'm very curious.
SA: These are very good questions, superb questions!
I really would like to know, too. Since India is a
different culture, and has a history of excellent
tolerance, though at times not so tolerant, but the
numerous spiritual practices and diverse people in
India says something of quality.
Marsha:
> What influence might they have on
> us if they become a major player? I want to see
> what this looks like
> visually. I stopped at a Indian grocery store, and
> the woman working
> there gave me two different small papers with many
> photos.
SA continues: I'm reading this with wonderful
interest. At the moment I'm listening to this song
while I read your post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ5Grncdjlc&feature=related
SA continues: While I went back to this music page to
copy and paste the link, I noticed this song has some
quotes in the youtube video such as this one from
Nietzche:
"Without music, life would be a mistake."
SA continues: Sorry, back to what you were saying.
Marsha:
> But I really want to see upscale fashion magazines
which
> can contain a lot
> of information about what is happening right now.
> Also hopes and
> dreams. There's more research to do.
SA: That is true, very interesting.
> >SA previously continues: You know, after putting
this quote
> here I notice, see the Mahayana Buddhism, it comes
up
> >again. Also, Pirsig may have talked about Greece
> and the rise of a certain intellect, but it would
seem
> >this Greek intellect also corresponds with art -
> >creativity, this is significant.
Marsha:
> Is the Tibetan Buddhism Mahayana?
SA: Yes. Of the Tantric branch.
Marsha:
> A while back someone on this forum talked about
> making their life
> into their work of art. If we all only understood
> we are artists.
SA: Yes.
Marsha:
> Some understand this and actively participate.
SA: What is key is "actively participate".
Marsha:
> Some do not. And oh if you understand, you do have
to
> tangle with all those
> gumption traps. But really, do you have something
> better to do?
SA: Nop. Living is where all thoughts are born, all
books are born of, living is the story where all
stories are born.
Marsha:
It is dangerous, and very interesting. And very
hopeful too. Good
things can come from adversity.
SA: Good events can be born of adversity. Adversity
can be lived many ways, unfortunate these regions (not
subtracting from other regions of the world) are in
the midst of an adversity so murderous, not just
physically, but culturally. Brute force is blinding.
We haven't given up. We are wishing them the best.
very windy,
SA
P.S. Well, I guess I've put two events on my plate.
1: To research Gupta India era and 2: To find out the
state of Buddhism in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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