Ron: Ham, This is how I see it, Pre-intellectual is the most real and certain and moral because it is raw experience before we develop an intellectual understanding of the experience In culturally derived linguistic and grammatical terms. Pirsig equates experience with reality much the same way you do.
Pirsig tends to stray from anthropic principle if you ask me, which is The whole point of his metaphysic, busting that notion of otherness as an Absolute entity in itself. He supports the idea that objective reality is a subjective interpretation. Value then is centered on avoiding prejudicial assumptions and focusing on Actual first hand experiences. Intellectual experience is but one of many modes of conscious awareness. Sense of Value is an individual endeavor Within a intellectual, social, biological and inorganic context. But it does not mean that existence is ultimately meaningless, it Means that "meaning" is self derived, that it is important to Recognize this and not go looking for meaning outside of ourselves. The most certain of experiences - pre-intellectual ones are the ones In which meaning holds the most value. To get caught up in the objectivism of the levels applying to an objective reality is kinda missing the point. Evolution is now. The rest is just interpretation. Ham: I feel we have lost our valuistic connection with reality in these discussions, and I need some assurance that the observer's experience, defined by RMP as "the cutting edge of reality", really does start with the "pre-intellectual" sense of Value. So I propose that we open a discussion as to what relevance Value has to the cognizant individual. (Feel free to use "Quality" as a synonym if it's more comfortable within the MoQ syntax.) Should anyone not understand what prompts my discouragement, I'll be happy to elaborate. Thanks, in advance, for your ideas. Regards, Ham Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
