Hi Platt The state should be a co-operative venture, where we keep binding laws to an agreed minimum, if we are wise. Generally it seems to be the tool of elites, at best struggling with each other to give us some balance of powers perhaps. I think I hope that such co-operation can deliver more than you do and you fear it leads to too much state control, but different polities should be free to choose how far they want to balance co-operative gains against individual freedoms that require levels of autonomy and self-reliance that perhaps modern ways of life have made too difficult or even too low in living standards.
David M > Quoting David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Hi Platt >> >> That's just a smaller collective is it not? >> >> DM > > > Hi DM, > > No. Collectivism as I use it describes a system of government where > individuals are subservient to the state. Communism, socialism and > fascism are such systems. All follow the principles of Marxism. > > Platt > >> >> > Quoting David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> > >> >> Hi Platt >> >> >> >> I assume you did not send your children to school >> >> and provided their education exclusively within the family >> >> to avoid any collective activity? >> >> >> >> DM >> > >> > Hi DM, >> > >> > I sent my children to private schools where they leaned reading, >> > writing >> > and >> > arithmetic. The also learned self-discipline, self-responsibility and >> > the >> > value of >> > individual liberty. In other words, they learned what today's >> > government >> > schools >> > fail to teach. >> > >> > Platt >> > >> >> > Quoting Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> > >> >> >> > DM >> >> >> > What is the collectivist view? >> >> >> > That I have arms, legs, eyes, language, culture >> >> >> > and so do you. >> >> >> >> >> >> [Platt] >> >> >> The collectivist view is that individual exists for the sake of the >> >> >> state, >> >> >> or in Hillary's case, the village. >> >> >> >> >> >> [Krimel] >> >> >> Funny, I thought Hillary's view was that the village exists for the >> >> >> sake >> >> >> of >> >> >> the child. >> >> > >> >> > Hillary wants to "free" children from their parents by having the >> >> > village >> >> > provide for the children's needs, turning them into dependents of >> >> > the >> >> > village. >> >> > Her proposals for state sponsored pre-school "education" and the >> >> > recent >> >> > California ruling against home schooling exemplify the collectivist >> >> > view. > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
