[Krimel] I didn't mention epileptic seizures but since you did there are those Who have frontal lobe seizures who become profoundly convinced of the reality of their religious experience. The Apostle Paul was likely such a one.
Ron: Well, I'm not arguing that as much as you placing the practical development of mind and body in a class with runners high or religious hallucinations. Here's another analogy for it that may shed some of the preconceptions About it. Is it more practical and efficient for a car to perform out of Tune, off timing, fouled plugs, bald tires or that same car finely tuned And maintained. You can expect to receive increased gas mileage, performance And reliability, nothing spiritual about that. [Krimel] I am totally in favor of a developing healthy minds and bodies. This has been an ideal in the West since at least the time of the Greeks. Certainly it was a Renaissance ideal. Obviously it was an ideal in the East as well. Anyone who knows me, knows I could stand some work in this area. But unfortunately in life there are lots of things to balance and in our society when it gets down to health and wealth the 9 to 5 tends to win. Of course that is a personal time management issue. But take your car example. I used to have a Mazda RX3 with a rotary engine. It had two distributers and three sets of points. I had to tune it myself because most mechanics just laughed at me. The net result was it backfired a lot. But I just needed to get to work. I wasn't racing it. Gas was cheap then and as long as it started I didn't worry much about it. I guess my point here is that you analogy is right on target. Ron: Take it easy Krimel, I just thought you would interested in how it functions, I'm not shoving anything down your throat just asking you to take a closer look before passing such a hasty judgment of it. Don't go all Platt on me Buddy. [Krimel] I'm a wizard man, blowing up is what I do, sorry but it's my nature. Still the whole point isn't that mystical experience is not valuable or healthy; it is that they do not necessarily provide reliable information about the way thing are. Feeling at one with the universe doesn't mean you are the universe. How we describe and relate to the ineffable is a function of how we relate to the effable. People who have profound near death experiences talk about them in terms of their culture. Some see Jesus, some Mohammed, some a bodhisattva. What they all have in common is that their nervous systems were shutting down and it feels like something indescribable in normal terms. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
