Ron:
And that is what Martial arts is all about. To know more about
everything.
They teach to do this with your entire being. "Live each day as though
Your Hair is on fire" is the saying. The idea is to get everything
Working  In Harmony, mind, body, spirit and extend it into every thing you
do.

The body is the mind, culture flexibility in both and you learn about
The Abilities of both, those who know their full potential have more
Tools To deal with what DQ throws down the pike. On all levels. 

Not merely exercise but a way of life.

[Krimel]
Whatever floats your boat. There many roads to the promised land and heaven
is chuck full of many mansions. A wise man once said, "The world is so full
of a number of things. I'm sure we all should be happy as kings."

[Krimel]
Ok, let me be a little clearer. I am not disparaging these practices.
Obviously you and many others find benefit it them. I don't. I have
practices that suit me. But in this sense I don't disparage speaking in
tongues or handling snakes or jogging. Others find value in them as
well.

Ron:
That's the problem Krim, if I may call you Krim. 

[Krimel]
As long as you understand that is sounds like crime and does not rhyme with
trim.

Ron:
The mystical subversion Is in the abstract syntax of the noun class. 
Plus, dude, the whole vein Of this game is validating mystical experience. 

[Krimel]
Says who?

Ron:
Mystics cultivate an  Attitude towards meeting quality. How is this mumbo
jumbo hocus pocus?
Having yourself oriented in wholeness, mind , body and spirit as one
In meeting whatever DQ throws at us is sound, practical and useful as
well as evolutionarily Moral.
The fact that you put martial arts and yoga on par with epileptic
seizures 

[Krimel]
I didn't mention epileptic seizures but since you did there are those who
have frontal lobe seizures who become profoundly convinced of the reality of
their religious experience. The Apostle Paul was likely such a one.

Ron:
In the exercise is good for you dept. just makes me cringe. I realize
There are a lot of dorks who give it a bad name who do not understand
What they practice. The religious spiritual aspect is just the feeling
Of getting your shit straight for once. When all moves in harmony
It generates a buzz. It fills you with a sense of empowerment and
momentum.
You then learn to apply it in everything you do. You apply economy of
Motion, you learn to exert with the momentum of things rather than
randomly
And disjointedly. You move with the flow of life learning to use it to
ones advantage. Bud, it's physics in use! Formless form is about using 
form to your advantage. When you are knowledgeable of the function
of forms and how people become single minded in their use, you seem
like you know what they are doing before they do. This must always
be based in the foundation of immediate experience less we adopt an
unconscious pre-assessment and an inaccurate view of a situation.

[Krimel]
Awesome Dude, as I said it sounds like it is really good for you, so what?
There are lots of ways to get your shit straight but that doesn't mean they
offer the inside track to the higher power. If I take what you are saying
here seriously what can I say to the person who says God gave them a prayer
language or that their experience of the divine protects them from vipers or
that God listens to their prayers and gets them great parking places at the
Mall during the Christmas rush?

Ron:
Dude, if you were closer I'd show you what I mean, its Pragmatic as
hell.
Cash value out the ass.

[Krimel]
Well in the not so distant past if you were closer I still had a chance of
out running you. These days I am  push over for a three month old in more
ways than one. My ass is about cashed in.



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