-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Krimel Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:13 AM
Ron: Take it easy Krimel, I just thought you would interested in how it functions, I'm not shoving anything down your throat just asking you to take a closer look before passing such a hasty judgment of it. Don't go all Platt on me Buddy. [Krimel] I'm a wizard man, blowing up is what I do, sorry but it's my nature. Still the whole point isn't that mystical experience is not valuable or healthy; it is that they do not necessarily provide reliable information about the way thing are. Feeling at one with the universe doesn't mean you are the universe. How we describe and relate to the ineffable is a function of how we relate to the effable. People who have profound near death experiences talk about them in terms of their culture. Some see Jesus, some Mohammed, some a bodhisattva. What they all have in common is that their nervous systems were shutting down and it feels like something indescribable in normal terms. Ron: That's why Pirsig struggles to unite the two, Mysticism needs to be grounded In objectivism, objectivism needs to be open to experience. The two united Effectively will yield much more than one being blind to the other, this is What the martial arts that I had practiced did. Blind faith is for fools. A martial artist or one who moves in the way, is a Darwinian first. It's all about survival. They warn not to be fooled by the likes of The things you speak of. That first and foremost is the centering And the preparing of the now. Getting caught up in intellectual Interpretations of experience Will be the death of you. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
