Hi SA, I think we understand each other.
As far as wanting agreement, I think it's a positive thing to want it - provide both sides in any difference are prepared to understand the differences and "find" the agreement. "Overlooking" significance of difference can only go so far before it is "ignorance", and then wilful, motivated ignorance. More devil than advocate. Ian On 5/5/08, Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ian: > > I don't think the MoQ is paralyzed, just certain > > avenues of MD debate. > > SA: Yes, true. The moq is not paralyzed. "Certain > avenues of MD debate" are paralyzed, it would seem, > and to further my point, which is the debates are > paralyzed only to the extent that we would want others > to agree with our particular viewpoints. This is to > be kept in mind. The list I provided were usual > disgusted expressions of when participants on this > forum find others don't agree with them. They then go > on to say, the moq is too mystic, unscientific, > paralyzed, 'we don't agree', and 'too much SOM is > here', etc... It's the weeding out of what is truly > paralyzed in the forum discussion, and what is simply > two or more viewpoints. The latter is democratic and > would simply require tolerance. > > > Ian: > > Like, how do you even start to argue / debate with > > anyone who cannot > > see any significant difference in the words "a" and > > "the" ?!?! What is > > the point ? > > SA: true. When the details that are significant are > overlooked, as in the "a" and "the" case, then how > much is overlooked that is significant in the long run > of the discussion? Lots I would say. > > > Ian: > > Anyway, me to you. > > Paradox is good, real, a practical fact of life - > > truth (without any > > capitalization or the definite article) is full of > > it - so we live and > > work with it. Paradox doesn't say anything about > > whether we can agree > > or not. That's a matter of wanting to agree. We can. > > How we handle it > > can be generative or degenerative as you say. > > SA: I guess what I'm pointing out is with intellect > being seemingly paradoxical, then some may want to > quit there and say 'truth' or 'Truth' is paradox. For > instance, the strange-loops, the circular talk, the > dualistic notions, these seem contradictory, but then > when one bridges these dualistic notions with say, > compassion, then what seems contradictory on the > surface, a paradox, is given dualistic roles that > don't conflict with each other, but work together with > each other. So, a third 'force' or attribute has > stepped into a seemingly dualistic paradox, and now > the paradox is not the end of the discussion. A > furthering the discussion on what is actually > 'dominating' or 'governing' the paradox is more > foundational so one may see this more foundational > goverance, compassion, as more true. > > > Ian: > > The MoQ is "mystic" (if I understand that word), but > > it is not > > anti-scientific; More, it enlightens science by > > bringing the mystic > > angle to the table. Science which is too sure of its > > materialist > > objectivity, to the exclusion of the mystic, is > > misguided. > > SA: Yes. > > Ian: > > In the sense that difference is quality, and the > > paradox we refer to > > is a source of DQ, it is fundamental to MoQ, so we > > might be tempted to > > think of it as "The Truth" .... but I'd want to know > > what implications > > / baggage get attached to that choice. How > > fundamental, how fixed for > > all time, how outside the metaphysics, etc .... > > SA: As noted above, I'm saying paradox is not the > most fundamental. > > > gotta go, > SA > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
