Matt and Perella On 5 May:
Perella > > Matt, Bo will not understand and Ham will not understand somebody else, > > because for them it is not how other people philosophize and how these > > ways of understanding reality will come to some more mutual > > understanding. You make it sound as if Ham and I are plotting against the MOQ, but we have absolutely nothing in common. Matt: > > Yeah, I think that's basically the way I feel. I've never thought Ham > > was as inconversable as Bo, but I also haven't been very intrigued by > > Ham's point of view. He seems to be here to mainly talk to someone > > about Essentialism because he apparently can't find anyone else. Which > > is fine, but not my thing. Agree > > The funny thing I've always thought about Bo is that from what I > > understand of his position, it is a bit more interesting than what other > > people write about Pirsig here. It's different and distinctive. (On > > the other hand, he hasn't really said anything new or added to it in > > years.) And in some cases we agree on certain things. Bo will > > occasionally pass a comment or two my way, and some of it I'll quite > > agree with, but it just doesn't make any difference in talking: he > > wildly misconstrues everything, either when we are in agreement or when > > we disagree. It is quite fascinating in a certain way, how it doesn't > > really matter what one says. So I just stopped. Thanks Matt, a most interesting analysis. It's true I haven't said anything new since my SOL epiphany back in the Lila Squad days when you were "fallen priest", but that's because the SOL is the MOQ as Phaedrus of ZAMM conceived it and also what 51% of LILA conveys. > > Occasionally, I even > > feel the desire to use Bo as a foil because he has the virtue of having > > worked out a fairly coherent position at least kind of extensively, but > > I don't because I fear Bo's subsequent comments will cause people to > > misunderstand what I was saying. That's actually the biggest reason I > > say nothing any > > more: he's so bad with other people, I think he ends up propagating > > misunderstanding to others. "Use as a foil"? The meaning is beyond my limited knowledge. Your refraining from speaking to me sounds most noble, but I still think it is because I use the MOQ from its own premises - not from SOM's as most people here - and you don't know how to react. However, your grasp of the MOQ is openly shown to be limited, while some other speak as if they are "initiated" but haven't really moved one iota out of SOM and that's really tough. The said Perella person one example Bo. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
