Ron and Ian,
> Bo:
> > ...because the subject/object
> > split is inferior
> > compared with the dynamic/static one.
>
>
> SA previously: I'll try one more time. I've asked
this
> question a number of times, but you have not been
able to
> answer. What is the dq/sq split? Show a difference
> between the latter and an s/o split.
Ron:
> This is a great question SA!
> What do you think it is?
> This question could propel a good
> Discussion.
> Bo maintains that the DQ/SQ split
> And/or the S/O split is the first
> Division in perceived reality. Thus
> SOM being the intellectual level.
SA: My point was, Bo says this (dq/sq split is better
than s/o split), but Bo hasn't been able to say what
value is or what dq and sq is. The only point on this
issue that Bo provides is 'deny everything', and then
he'll say, "...because the subject/object split is
inferior compared with the dynamic/static one." Well,
I could say honey is better than maple syrup, but is
that true to you. To me it's not true.
Ron:
> I personally believe that this
> Perspective flies in the face of
> Pirsigs pre-intellectual experience.
> It doesn't exist according to Bo.
SA: I agree. Bo doesn't allow for the
pre-intellectual. I don't see why this needs to be
more complicated than it is. This pre-intellectual
reality is how the Dao can be the ten-thousand things.
SA continues: Ian, how the moq is personal is
on-spot. This is why points can be argued, but once
we place people into 'camps', well, haven't we then
poked our heads out of our moq perspective to label
somebody else's perspective a 'different camp'? How
do we know what a 'different camp' looks like anyways?
Isn't this all quality? If not, then we would need
to do some more introspection on our own part or maybe
another pattern is being more degenerative. As long
as, as you said Ian, we are educating people about the
moq even if they have heard about the moq and know
something about the moq, it's language such as what's
static quality, etc..., and not laying out a
superficial denial without reason of another's
position, well, this would be generative,
compassionate.
Compassion is at this pivot point we've
discussed before. I've been thinking about compassion
a bit looking for the correct words, as explicitly
noted in the posts about it, and compassion is not
strictly about helping a pattern that is failing or
becoming/is degenerative. Compassion is also about
support. The people singing in the Chinese village
(which I got your mentioning of how you sing, I do
too), but what I'm pointing out is why are whole
villages (plural) known for this? I find it's not due
to people need cheering up all the time. I find the
act of singing on such a scale is the circulating
pattern of generative support. When people are in a
good mood anywhere, and they sing around each other
it's not about them trying to cheer each other up.
It's about the supportive compassion (the sharing and
reaching across boundaries). Their involved in the
generative action together, not one helping the other,
but together furthering their moral.
woods,
SA
woods,
SA
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