Ron:
> I venture to think that because the Greeks had
> democratic
> Republics, logical arguments were central to
> government
> And decision making. It became the dominant form of
> Argument because nothing could stand before its
> logic.
> The sophists were at a loss to establish the kind of
> certainty
> That analytical dialectic could produce.
SA: I don't know much about the history of
philosophy, but this is beautiful statement. Don't
know if it's true or not, but it is insightful,
curious.
Ron:
> But in the East the Indic society was
> ruled by kings and the decisions were made by the
> Monarchy.
> (correct me if I am wrong anyone). Therefore
> analytic logic
> Did not take off like the Greek version did. This
> coupled
> With the establishment of the university which
> allowed lay
> persons to acquire this sort of method where Indic
> versions
> Were probably held to the royal court. And passed
> with
> The fall of empires.
SA: Until, for one, Buddhist monasteries. Others
would have been the roving yogis, and other
philosophies (Jainism, etc...). Yet, one would have
needed to join these sects, except from time to time,
rare in the scope of events, certain kings arose in
India that spread education to the masses in a
compassionate manner. We're talking about ideas that
blossomed art and literature. Religion can catapult
people's mind frame into thoughtful contemplation
about their lives. Religion isn't always just about
praying to this god or that god or those gods. I do
see the political partaking of a collective intent
that would have many debate and such, which the Greeks
did do differently. It is this democratic intent
where many are involved in a process that helps define
the direction the population will go. This seemed to
be missing in the quantitative numbers in India when
compared to Greece. In India though, it seemed many
different sects of spiritual, philosophical sects
could open up in numerous numbers, so, that's
diversity, but in a more 'what is reality' kind of
living. The Greeks were thinking what is reality, but
also trying to apply their understanding into the
practical life of everyday, thus, the political nature
of their endeavor. In India, there was the humane,
compassionate endeavor, but it seemed to be to better
what was already established. In Greece, there was
this search for something better that wasn't
completely established. Both intended change, both
could and did change, but in India the change was with
what was already present, thus, how the lasting of
caste is still present to this day. In Greece,
something corrupt was in the system and there seemed
to be a fight to rid it, thus, the whole idea of
progress and out with the old and in with the new.
Doesn't mean India isn't dynamic. What would be
dynamic in India is more psychological it would seem.
Make the best of what is and learn how to handle life
with better flexibility in ones routine, body, mind,
and spirit kind of approach. Whereas in Greece, the
change needed to be more outward in how people dealt
with each other (law, etc...), the structure of trade
routes and the buildings that would be available for
trade, thus, better goods, the more material route,
the outward route, etc...
Neither of these extremes is one-sided. As you
noted Ron, an India understanding was in Greece, the
sophist, and in India, well, the king for one was
probably more focused in an outward manner. I know in
early (thus, B.C.) China the legalist were very law
and logically bounded in a way that would be more
Greek familiar and the legalists influenced the Han
dynasty all the way up to present China in it's
orderly mentality.
I'm saying all of this from what I've learned in
life, never been to India or Greece, and I'm not an
expert in these topic areas, so, take this with a
grain of salt.
Ron:
> Modern western Philosophy is built on propositional
> Logical statements from our court system and
> government,
> to scientific method, all based on that first
> descriptive
> rule that nouns are either subject or object in
> meaning
> establishing possession of the statement.
SA: Now Ron, that's a statement that helps me further
understand what you mean. Thanks.
gray woods,
SA
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