Ron: > I venture to think that because the Greeks had > democratic > Republics, logical arguments were central to > government > And decision making. It became the dominant form of > Argument because nothing could stand before its > logic. > The sophists were at a loss to establish the kind of > certainty > That analytical dialectic could produce.
SA: I don't know much about the history of philosophy, but this is beautiful statement. Don't know if it's true or not, but it is insightful, curious. Ron: >From what I have studied about the creation of logic, It falls right in line with Pirsigs evaluation. The sophists employed the power of persuasion Which drew upon ethics which undoubtedly are rooted in Religion and myth. We see these types of arguments Played out each day in our court system, when objective Establishment of proof can not be established beyond A reasonable doubt, the argument turns sophist with Each side appealing to the ethical sensibilities of the jury/judge. Ron: > Modern western Philosophy is built on propositional > Logical statements from our court system and > government, > to scientific method, all based on that first > descriptive > rule that nouns are either subject or object in > meaning > establishing possession of the statement. SA: Now Ron, that's a statement that helps me further understand what you mean. Thanks. Ron: I really do appreciate your efforts of taking the time To try to understand what I'm saying SA, it means a lot. Establishing possession of a statement ties the statement To a specific objective entity. Just like in a court room. If you can't establish an argument, with certainty, it gets thrown out. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
