> > SA previously: Maybe. You could say 'thing', but
the
> baggage,
> > so, I was looking for an analogy that we've been
> using
> > on this forum to help better streamline the
> > understanding.
Magnus:
> Did you have a particular analogy in mind? In which
> case, which one?
SA: Events. Happenings. Occurrences.
> > SA previously: Ok. It may not have said, 'The
Moq uses
> pattern
> > in this way, which differs from these provided
> > definitions..." I didn't see a need for this
> > clarification in 'moq definition'
> versus/distinction
> > 'dictionary definition'. What's the difference?
Magnus:
> The difference comes from the fact that the MoQ is a
> metaphysics that tries to
> redefine what reality is made of using new building
> blocks.
SA: Then redefine reality. Reality will still be
here. Dictionaries full of defines will still be
here. How we understand all of this, dictionaries and
all will be with an moq perception. This is how the
moq changes everything, everywhere, for all time. A
metaphysics does this. It's called paradigm shift.
The new paradigm, the moq, lets us understand that
quality has been the decision maker, the reality
throughout history. This is how science today can
understand near the Big Bang, those moments after zero
but before 1 second of the Big Bang moment. Quality,
values, and morals have been here throughout time. A
metaphysics will do this to a person. In a field that
academically I understand more so than others maybe is
anthropology. The European culture was shocked during
it's years of discovery ca. 1400's A.D. by what they
called exotic cultures. 'Exotic', these other
cultures in the world are no more exotic than the
European culture itself, yet, the Europeans, at the
time, didn't realize people could live so differently.
As other cultures open our minds to other ways of
life - metaphysics opens our minds to a reality that
has always been depending on the metaphysics you
incorporate into your life. A metaphysics of quality
says Quality is reality and reality has always been,
is, and always will be. Reality goes on and on and we
can delineate timelines of when this reality began for
humans and that reality began for humans, but a
reality one picks to live is the reality one goes with
and a reality that is quality states no other reality
than quality. So, I really don't know what you mean
by redefining reality. I do, but I don't. It seems
to me reality doesn't need our redefining. Reality is
reality and according to the moq reality is quality.
If we're just realizing this now, then we just woke up
to this quality reality now.
Magnus:
> And since there's no
> word for these new building blocks, Pirsig had to
> use an existing word that
> resembled what he had in mind for the new building
> blocks as much as possible.
> He chose "pattern", which as you said about "thing",
> carries baggage. The
> baggage is mostly useful but can also be misleading,
> which is why I try to avoid
> using old definitions of MoQ terms.
SA: I find we could use 'thing', 'object', 'pattern',
or whatever word you want. It's how you understand
these concepts. Thus, why we ask each other 'What do
you mean?', and 'How do you understand thing or object
or pattern?' due to we have these inclinations that
once we find out how the other person is using such
concepts and understandings such concepts then we'll
understand more and more how they are living reality.
Thanks.
chilly night,
SA
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