[Marsha]
So now it's fractal structures?  To SEE a similar structure in a Nature, a 
whole lot of important, interrelated processes are being ignored.  I don't 
buy it.  ASSUME seems like the correct word. 

[Krimel]
It has always been a fractal structure why ever would you think it
otherwise. To see we need we need eyes and a brain. To see patterns we need
experience. To perceive we need to be able to integrate sensory experience
and in this process we detect patterns. We do this from the moment of our
birth until the hour of our death. This ability to detect and perceive
patterns is the very foundation of the MoQ.

[Marsha]
Does it exist outside your mind?    Isn't this "more like a tree or a river 
system or a highway system, or a nervous system or lungs" structure imputed 
by your mind?  I don't find it as significant a structure as you.  I 
certainly don't think it exists in-and-of-itself.  Maybe a pattern of your 
imagination, huh?

[Krimel]
Does anything at all exist outside of my mind? I can prove to my self that
things do exist inside my mind. I can not prove this to you.

Are you telling me you see no similarity in the structure of highways and
rivers? Are you saying that I should pay no heed to the workings of my mind?
What else is there for me to heed? You really need to give that Buddhist
bullshit a rest.

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