[Marsha] To see involves shape and color. That's it. [Krimel] Seeing has nothing to do with shape and color. Those are things seen.
[Marsha] It is erroneous to mistake patterns for things that exist in and of themselves. Mostly we are socially indoctrinated with patterns from birth to death. The lucky ones detect and perceive original patterns. [Krimel] Patterns are matters of perception. We believe them to be reflections of TiTs. Indoctrination sounds like something maliciously coercive. Socialization is something parents and families do to welcome the young into the fold. We can not live without it. Part of becoming and adult is learning to understand these patterns at a higher level. [Marsha] Experiences of highways, trees and rivers are subjective perceptions of appearances that are bound by contexts, or frames of reference. What is a highway? What is a tree? What is a river? Of course you should pay attention to the workings of your mind, but not accept its mistaken identity. [Krimel] What is the mistaken identity of my own mind supposed to mean? Tree and highways and rivers are what we agree they are. What "mistaken" identity are you talking about? Is this more of the "everything you know is wrong" goobledygoook? [Marsha] What would you have me investigate, a father god and the Old Testament? [Krimel] I would suggest looking into what we know about how the world works and how we as beings gather knowledge. But at least looking into the father god of the Old Testament would provide some insight into how our culture works as opposed to studying the theology of a culture whose hermeneutics are likely to remain forever opaque to you. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
