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From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Truth and the Linguistic Turn
[Marsha]
To see involves shape and color. That's it.
[Krimel]
Seeing has nothing to do with shape and color. Those are things seen.
[Marsha]
It is erroneous to mistake patterns for things that exist in and of
themselves. Mostly we are socially indoctrinated with patterns from
birth
to death. The lucky ones detect and perceive original patterns.
[Krimel]
Patterns are matters of perception. We believe them to be reflections of
TiTs. Indoctrination sounds like something maliciously coercive.
Socialization is something parents and families do to welcome the young
into
the fold. We can not live without it. Part of becoming and adult is
learning
to understand these patterns at a higher level.
In the MOQ, there are no things in themselves.
[Marsha]
Experiences of highways, trees and rivers are subjective perceptions of
appearances that are bound by contexts, or frames of reference. What is a
highway? What is a tree? What is a river? Of course you should pay
attention to the workings of your mind, but not accept its mistaken
identity.
[Krimel]
What is the mistaken identity of my own mind supposed to mean? Tree and
highways and rivers are what we agree they are. What "mistaken" identity
are
you talking about? Is this more of the "everything you know is wrong"
goobledygoook?
And you think everything you know is right? Never mistaken? No room for
exploration?
[Marsha]
What would you have me investigate, a father god and the Old Testament?
[Krimel]
I would suggest looking into what we know about how the world works and
how
we as beings gather knowledge. But at least looking into the father god of
the Old Testament would provide some insight into how our culture works as
opposed to studying the theology of a culture whose hermeneutics are
likely
to remain forever opaque to you.
Geez, I don't see our culture working very well. I see it in need of
improvement. Just for the record, there is no creator god in Buddhism. I
do not think it can rightfully be called a theology.
Marsha
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