[Marsha] > Sentient beings are not things, not selves even, but clusters of > interrelated, ever-changing, inorganic, biological, social and > intellectual > static patterns of value interacting within a field of Dynamic Quality.
[Ham] > There is no "free agency" in > such a construct because the "field" itself is the operand of the patterns. > The static patterns, in other words, are programmed by DQ. That's like saying there is no free agency because the brain is programmed by atoms. [Ham] > I've been unable to find any references to individuality, individualism, > individual freedom, self-determination, proprietary awareness, or personal > autonomy. Instead, in all these quotes citing "subjects", "mind", "life", > and "free", there is the presumption of a collective consciousness being > dominated or controlled by DQ. You can't find any evidence, so you PRESUME collective consciousness. That's your presumption & your straw man. If you sit on a hot stove & jump off, it's you that has the experience not anyone else. Was your jumping, free? It wasn't under anyone else's influence, but it's not something you deliberately chose either. You find a wallet full of money on the sidewalk--what do you do? It depends on a lot of things: what is society's view of property, what has your upbringing been, how desparate are you, etc. You may have the final say, but all the pros & cons are accumulations of influences. Craig Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
