[Joe] I disagree that ³levels² are secondary in that they are not even remotely ³discrete². The vocabulary for discussing levels is undefined/definedDQ/SQ.
[Krimel] I guess we must agree to disagree then because in my view the ONLY term undefined in the MoQ is "Quality". It is not defined because it changes and it known chiefly as a direct perception. DQ and SQ are aspects of Quality and I see no reason why they can not be precisely identified and defined in any given set of circumstances. The "levels" should at least in principle be easily defined although as we have seen they seem to resist being pinned down. [Joe] IMO This is a much better observation than the periodic table of elements, Hydrogen, Helium, etc. Hell if I can¹t name more than a couple of elements, my education has been sadly neglected. I would much rather propose an order in existence lower to higher or higher to lower depending on your point of view. The periodic table is a nightmare in a description of life, as you point out. [Krimel] Perhaps a bit more study might help but the periodic table just specifies the configuration of chemical elements. It doesn't have much to do with life other than help us identify its constituent parts. [Joe] As far as a clear distinction between what is alive and what is inert, I agree the molecular level is no place to look. I guess how I go from 1 to 2, reproduction, might show that the organic level exists differently from the collision at the inorganic level. Not that the inorganic level does not have a presence in the organic level. It just exists differently. [Krimel] Again my point is that while there may be qualitative distinctions that can be made, figuring out were to draw the line is a bit arbitrary and in every instance there are problems with where Pirsig draws his lines. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
