don't get too excited - I just thought the expression itself struck me
as funny - and one that I thought Marsha in particular, but also Ron, gav
AND Ian...et.al.might see the humor in as well.

though it really didn't have much to do with the manhood or any of those
other
expressions Ron mentioned OR bathroom humor -

but 'grasping for concrete meaning'...

[grasping in general - it's like the very word itself is at the
root of all of the 7 deadly sins]
just seems like such a waste of time
when one can be painting or dancing or kissing a lover or
tending a garden or working on a
motorcycle and taking a drive or just breathing...

this insistence on trying to 'rigourously' define...ugh - how exhausting.

'concrete meaning' - now isn't this an oxymoron?

What might be fun would be to see what we all come up
with from a zen koan - I'll dig out one of my zen books and post one up
shortly. Anyone game?

> >
> >> Ian:
> >> Whoa ... Marsha, Margaret ... Ron et al
> >>
> >> Ian is very "impressed" with Nagarjuna, Ian does indeed have
> >> "middle-way" tattoo'ed on his buttocks, and "excluded-middle"
> >> imprinted any-which-way you slice me .....
> >>
> >> I used that phrase - quoting Ron's words - AGAINST those who see all
> >> this rational objective rigour as the goal of our critical analysis -
> >> was using it to contrast DMB's claims for rigour againts my (sic)
> >> "drivel" in this case. It's the meme I have been railing against since
> >> long before I even read ZMM, or anything remotely philosophical.
> >>
> >> Ron:
> >> Ian, Marsha,
> >> I think Margaret was making a funny. Grasping for concrete meaning
> >> and objective rigor, I think (because I have a penchant for bathroom
> >> humor)
> >> she was alluding to us males "wrestling with our manhood"
> >> you know "roughing up the suspect" "flaying the fox" "punching the
> >> clown"
> >>
> >> Lighten up people!
> >>
> >> -Ron
> >>
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > Sorry, but I've never been privy to such humor.  I am embarrassed, but
> > there's no way I could have gotten the joke.
> >


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