> I spent most of yesterday with my grandson who just turned
> four-years-old.
> He loves me and, on such a rainy day, I received the bruises to prove it.


beautiful image.

this sums up my day...

golden hours we lie
side by side, the cat and I
weightless and drifting with
the dust.
I stir, she stirs.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MarshaV
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:53 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [MD] The Intellectual Gauntlet
>
>
>
> Margaret,
>

>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Margaret Warren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] The Intellectual Gauntlet
>
>
> > don't get too excited - I just thought the expression itself struck me
> > as funny - and one that I thought Marsha in particular, but
> also Ron, gav
> > AND Ian...et.al.might see the humor in as well.
> >
> > though it really didn't have much to do with the manhood or any of those
> > other
> > expressions Ron mentioned OR bathroom humor -
> >
> > but 'grasping for concrete meaning'...
> >
> > [grasping in general - it's like the very word itself is at the
> > root of all of the 7 deadly sins]
> > just seems like such a waste of time
> > when one can be painting or dancing or kissing a lover or
> > tending a garden or working on a
> > motorcycle and taking a drive or just breathing...
> >
> > this insistence on trying to 'rigourously' define...ugh - how
> exhausting.
> >
> > 'concrete meaning' - now isn't this an oxymoron?
> >
> > What might be fun would be to see what we all come up
> > with from a zen koan - I'll dig out one of my zen books and post one up
> > shortly. Anyone game?
> >
> >> >
> >> >> Ian:
> >> >> Whoa ... Marsha, Margaret ... Ron et al
> >> >>
> >> >> Ian is very "impressed" with Nagarjuna, Ian does indeed have
> >> >> "middle-way" tattoo'ed on his buttocks, and "excluded-middle"
> >> >> imprinted any-which-way you slice me .....
> >> >>
> >> >> I used that phrase - quoting Ron's words - AGAINST those who see all
> >> >> this rational objective rigour as the goal of our critical
> analysis -
> >> >> was using it to contrast DMB's claims for rigour againts my (sic)
> >> >> "drivel" in this case. It's the meme I have been railing
> against since
> >> >> long before I even read ZMM, or anything remotely philosophical.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ron:
> >> >> Ian, Marsha,
> >> >> I think Margaret was making a funny. Grasping for concrete meaning
> >> >> and objective rigor, I think (because I have a penchant for bathroom
> >> >> humor)
> >> >> she was alluding to us males "wrestling with our manhood"
> >> >> you know "roughing up the suspect" "flaying the fox" "punching the
> >> >> clown"
> >> >>
> >> >> Lighten up people!
> >> >>
> >> >> -Ron
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Ron,
> >> >
> >> > Sorry, but I've never been privy to such humor.  I am
> embarrassed, but
> >> > there's no way I could have gotten the joke.
> >> >
> >
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