[Ron] But I have to think that if we fail here what does that mean for MoQ out there?
[Arlo] It means that there will always be those who prey on social-fear and anti-intellectualism. Remember that even back when Pirsig was formulating what would become his Quality Thesis he was branded a "radical professor" by the same "folk" that perennial assault "the evil collectivist academy and big, bad multiculturalism". Same as it ever was, David Byrne might say. Social change takes time, that's the way it is (the way it has to be), we could not have gone from slavery in the south to people actually believing blacks are equal and treating them as such in one day, indeed (as evidenced) many people still think not. But we have made progress, and if there is anything good to latch onto it is that. Indeed, that is where I find a critical flaw in Marx. Marx refused to acknowledge the social inertia towards radical change and felt that a violent revolution would be immediately followed by an Enlightenment (to simplify). What he did not count on was that the awakening he envisioned would take generations to bring about, a point we are still generations away from (think Star Trek TNG for a Marxian future society). We should not expect or be burdened that the MOQ will meet such anti-intellectual response (we should be surprised that it comes from agent provocateurs within), we just have to be patient and know that one-day some future generation will "get it". And when they do, I bet they'll be able to say so in five different languages. Tschuess. Ciao. Asta luego. Sayonara. Fiimaan illaah. And, by the way, you mentioned Native Americans being forced to speak English (there tongues were often branded with a hot iron if they refused). There is a flash-animation on this page that shows over time the loss of viable languages in America. I wonder if this is something Ham bemoans or applauds. http://www.lakhota.org/html/status.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
