[Krimel] One of the things that sets humans apart from other species is our Ability to take on other points of view. We intentionally alter our own illusions if you will. This too is a developmental phenomenon. It begins at about nine months when infants begin to share attention with their caregivers. They look at what is being pointed at and they look at what another person looks at. This ability matures as children grow in a regular pattern that develops in similar fashion across dissimilar cultures. (Suggesting that it has a strong biological basis)
It is this ability to see things from multiple points of view that makes Us human. Any understanding any of us has of anything will be in large Measure a personal, subjective understanding, unique to us. To the extent that our understanding corresponds to the "object" in question or coincides with the understanding of others... Well that's gravy. That's what makes us "sane". Ron: THIS is what defines MYSTICISM. [Krimel] I don't get your point in this one. Ron: The experiences that coincide with others is called sanity, the ones that do not are mystical. It's the mystical experience which drives the dynamism of the social level If the individual can convey their own experience in a way that is believable or that society is open to particular types of mystical expression. ie: visions, religious experiences, art. The mysticism of the shamans is the one you describe above; they have the ability "to take on other points of view. We intentionally alter our own illusions if you will." These mystical "other points of view" are taken to be more accurate than traditional "illusions" or preconceptions simply because they come from one who is trained or "ordained" to do so. Back to "understanding" there are many types of understanding with accuracy being the determiner. Those who experience directly are vastly more accurate in their understanding than those who do not. Which I believe was Marsha's point. The term "understanding" was covering a lot of acreage in your use of it. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
