Hi Gav, I have no problem with 7 out of the 8, and would aspire to all 8, as you would.
The problem with the 8th manifesto point is always what to do with "freeloaders" ? People who like the benefits, the freedoms, but don't take their individual responsibilities to the cosmos; don't keep their side of the utopian bargain. If you can't exclude them from this society - pragmatically they would just have to be "managed" somehow - with "some" force in reserve to back that up. If you have a practical alternative to this, I'd sure be keen to hear it. Paradoxically it seems without 8 (enforcible law), 1 (sustainability) must fail - utopia implodes. The fight for freedoms needs to be legitimate. Incidentally - the reality of "lore" as a basis for social morals is a good one, but pragmatically some of that lore ends up being enacted politically in law for exactly the reason above. (I read and reviewed Al MacIntyre's "After Virtue" recently - has something to say on this.) Ian On 7/24/08, gav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > would: > 1. be sustainable. > this is a given. > > 2. be egalitarian > to ensure the most efficient and efficacious use of human resources. > > 3. be organised with a 13 month lunar calendar. > 13 months of 28 days (with a day 'out of time'for cosmic celebration). > this would sync the rhythms of society and nature. > > 4. be guided by the wisdom of the elders, the mythic imagination and the joy > of the children. > > 5. respond creatively to change > > 6. negate and realise art. > ie the situationist apotheosis: the negation of art as culturally sanctioned > spectacular activity and the realization of life as art. > > 7.value and promote diversity. > ecological health is a function of the complexity of interconnections. > > > 8. have no need of laws, prisons or mental hospitals. > lore, embodied in myth, would replace the need for law. > > anyone else wanna play? > > > > > Start at the new Yahoo!7 for a better online experience. > www.yahoo7.com.au > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
