[Bo] Hello Stephen, pleased to meet you if we haven't spoken earlier. [Steve] Pleased to meet you as well.
[Bo] I'm from the original Lila Squad times and am reeling from more than ten years of fighting for the MOQ, yet seeing it deteriorating every day and is why I just had a fleeting glance ate the Catholic page you referred to on 27 July: it's about as far from the MOQ's social LEVEL as possible. [Steve] I'm not trying to deteriorate the MOQ, if that's what you mean. All I am trying to see is if these Catholic social teachings might be an example of "good social Quality" and what intellectual values are behind them (Gav had a thread about an intellectually-guided society, this thread would be a comparison). [Bo] The real Q-social level's purpose was (still is) a dynamic revolt against biological value of merely eating and proliferating, thus social value was/is about checking this "jungle" existence and what fulfills this purpose is a greater reality that transcends biological life. Thus the proclaimed catholic human rights is about the least Q-social value there is, they are all about the individual's submission to the greater reality (religion most often, but can be called "the common cause"). [Steve] I don't think that they are about submission to some common cause, I think they are about what should ideally happen in some interactions that humans have with other humans, with the earth, etc... Did Pirsig write anything on how humans should treat other humans? [Bo] However, because intellectual value is the same revolt regarding social value one of its its value aspects turns round human worth and rights ... and THIS is what has reformed the original "raw" social patterns to the present mellow "teachings" . The catholics may believe that the individual's preservation is their agenda, but the Semitic type religion are Q-social patterns and everything turns round existence beyond, their least concern is Q-intellectual welfare. I won't pull the whole cultural history, but Christendom is ambiguous with one leg in the Semitic, Q-social tradition the other in the modern, intellectual one, Catholicism representing the former, while Lutheranism represents the latter. Excuse my grumpy style, but I'm aghast of how this discussion has mangled the MOQ. [Steve] I'm confused, so Catholicism is an unintellectual religion? There are no intellectual values guiding our social teachings? Sorry again if you think I'm trying to sabotage anything, I mean no harm. Peace, Steve >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
