[Steve] I don't think that they are about submission to some common cause, I think they are about what should ideally happen in some interactions that humans have with other humans, with the earth, etc... Did Pirsig write anything on how humans should treat other humans?
Ron: Steve, I think what you are saying warrants my butting in, Pirsig does not make many universal blanket statements, axioms or definitions. He does say that human intellectual patterns are the most moral patterns we recognize with immediate experience being the most moral of that. Direct experience of human intellectualism is the higest moral pattern. which in turn would reflect the highest moral social patterns. allowing social patterns, even the highest, to form intellectual patterns is of lower moral standard than intellectual patterns formed from immediate experience. Often, I have wondered that if someone is trying to kill you having the patterns go to a biological level, MoQ would support self preservation on evolutionary standards. If it came right down to kill or be killed MoQ would support the decision and the necessity to kill out of the value self preservation. [Steve] I'm confused, so Catholicism is an unintellectual religion? There are no intellectual values guiding our social teachings? Sorry again if you think I'm trying to sabotage anything, I mean no harm. Ron; Steve, anytime anybody thinks any differently they are saboteurs. Think of Bo imagining himself as Moses in Cecil B. Demills "The Ten Commandments" and you get the picture. He likens himself to Paul on the road to Damascus. Evangelizing his interpretation of Pirsigs word. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
