[Bo] Moses came down from the mountain with commandments, among those one of not killing, but once his people (their cause) were threatened killing became the first commandment. Still is, and one aspect of MOQ's immense explanatory power is how murder can be hailed in one instance and condemned the next. This enigma NO metaphysics has solved before it.
[Krimel] The Mosaic Law provides and injunction against murder. The idea that killing an enemy in battle can be in anyway equated with murder is a relatively modern notion and certainly not universally held among Jews or Christians. [Bo] Don't get me wrong, Catholicism is of course intellect-influenced, yet Christendom has its root in the social pattern known as Judaism. My idea is that Jesus was a sensitive antenna who picked up the Greek intellectual (SOM) signals through the Romans and his words about the (Mosaic) Law existing for mankind's sake - not the other way round - is intellectual value taking leave of social value, In Judaism and Islam humans only have value to the degree they accept the (respective) holy Law books, and because this is God (-given), Jesus' really took leave of this Semitic kind of god as well. Not directly, but this rebellion came to be modern Christendom's nucleus and the moment a holy text/law becomes subject to scientific or interpreted in light of the times its back is broken. [Krimel] Why do you keep spouting this kind of nonsense. Jesus was no doubt familiar with Greek culture as it was expressed in the culture of the occupying Romans. But the Jews had a long standing antipathy toward the Greeks as a result of the Maccabean Revolt against the Greek occupiers in 167 BC. Jesus was no friend of the Romans and did nothing to reconcile Jews and Romans. He was involved in a general uprising in Jerusalem during the Passover that resulted in his execution. Little is available about the events of his death outside of the Christian scriptures but his execution in the early 30s AD was part of a general culture clash that culminated in the near extermination of the Jews. The Jewish War of 70 AD resulted in the scattering of the Jews out of Israel and across the globe. Both Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism grew out of and resulted from that disaster. There is nothing to suggest that Jesus was at odds with "Judaism" He did seem to have a beef with the priests who managed the temple but this was mainly because the priest were appointed by and under the thumb of the Romans. There is almost nothing that can be authoritatively attributed to Jesus that is at odds with or outside of the mainstream of Judaism at his time. By the way, the interpretation of scripture in light of the present is a technique known s pesher. Some of the first examples of this are to be found among the Dead Sea scrolls in a commentary on Obadiah. You keep repeating the same incorrect views over and over again. I could recommend a few books to correct these deficiencies in your accounts of early Christian history if you like. Otherwise find some other example. The Zuni brujo was equally misrepresented by Pirsig but at least that bit of history is less well documented. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
