This is from MKK: "What we are typically confronted with in nature is a vast network of interdependent and continuous processes, and carving our particular phenomenon for explanation depends more on our explanatory interests and language than on joints nature presents to us."
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Glendinning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [MD] the subjective
Gav, David, Gav says subjects and objects exist only as abstractions from this stream David says ... objectivity [is] a view from nowhere, therefore always a fiction, but useful ... Exactly both of you ... the actual experience is always an immediate dynamic stream, the abstractions just things we can "pin down" whilst we talk about them using traditional SOMist language and logic. Talking of which ... hearing in colour anyone ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7545888.stm Ian On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:38 AM, gav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:with respect ham i think you are overcomplicating things. parsimony has something to it you know...at least according to that ockham dude. 1. there is no 'before experience'; this would be a nonsense statement. (immediate) experience is t=0. 2. immediate experience is dynamic, a process, a flux....a stream. there are no objects or subjects in the stream. 3. subjects and objects exist only as abstractions from this stream. 4. this process of abstraction occurs at t>0 with respect to the part of the stream focussed on. cheers gav Find a better answer, faster with the new Yahoo!7 Search. www.yahoo7.com.au/search Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
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