[Ham] The existentialists here say the subjective self emerges out of being and is
insignificant. They won't consider my view that being is a valuistic construct of the self which is primary to existence. [Krimel] So I have been reduced to just a label? Has it occurred to you that people have actually taken the time to "consider your view" and find it devoid of meaning. You reify of "nothingness" and turn it into a creative agent. You glorify "free will" which in your "philosophy" is nothing more than ignorance in the face of predestination. Once again I ask the world only "Essentialist" to address the issue: A thing can have being without awareness. My computer has being but, AI notwithstanding, it has no awareness. I assume you also have a computer but I have no awareness of it. There was water on Mars that none of us as aware of until recently, yet it did not just suddenly appear and throw itself in front of the Mars rover. In short a thing can have being without awareness either self awareness or the awareness of some other. Awareness on the other hand requires being. It presupposes being. A being must exist prior to its becoming aware of other things that exist. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
