i like the idea of morphogenetic fields.
--- On Tue, 19/8/08, Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Space > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Received: Tuesday, 19 August, 2008, 1:24 AM > Wheeler's many worlds idea sort of goes with that but it > is more like > timestreams separate from each other at each quantum choice > point. I'm not > sure that each quantum particle is coherent enough across > time to have it's > own history, though. Plus from instant to instant > aren't your biological > patterns composed of different quantum particles? > > After all what ever "identity" or > "self" we have is in the pattern of > particles and fields, not the particles or fields > themselves. Well, it least > unless you take Sheldrake seriously. > Krimel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Magnus Berg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:59 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Space > > Hi guys > > I actually touched this subject in an essay I'm > writing, but I don't think > *you* > as a whole person would be able to experience falling out > of time/space. > > What I speculate is that each quantum "particle" > has its own > timeline/history. > The only thing that makes us able to exist in one time is > that all those > quantum > particles now use the same timeline and space. If this > wasn't the case, each > > particle that you depend on would go back to its own > spaceless timeline, so > you > would in a way explode, or rather just vanish. > > Magnus > > > > gav wrote: > > okay...i see. > > well i guess technically speaking everything that has > happened or will > ever happen happens 'now'. that is the now contains > all temporal events. > > so...in theory it may be possible to travel > back/forward in time, in some > manner of speaking. > > i don't think you can get separated from time - > the eternal is what > encompasses and sustains time - infinite time if you like. > to be timeless is > to be in eternity - the basic primordial flux devoid of any > conceptual > differentiation. maybe we visit this dimension in > dreams....perhaps thatiis > what it feels like to be a time traveller. > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 18/8/08, Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >> From: Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Scace > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Received: Monday, 18 August, 2008, 8:30 AM > >> I was thinking more along the line of becoming > actually > >> disconnected from > >> space time. You are sounding more like Donnie > Darko kind of > >> unstuck or Adian > >> Quinn in the Jacket kind of unstuck. I mean what > if you > >> could move your > >> existence along the temporal dimension like Dr. > Who does. > >> Back and forth. In > >> time. > >> > >> > >> heya, > >> > >>> So conceptually, abstractly how would your > perceptions > >> be > >>> changed if you > >>> fell out or became unhinged from time/space in > say, a > >> non a > >>> priori way? > >>> > >> time is subject to dilation/contraction, depending > upon > >> your state of mind. > >> when meditating time seems to lose its linear > regularity. > >> two hours can seem > >> like a lot shorter. same sorta thing with > marijuana or acid > >> - time dilates. > >> > >> being 'in the zone' is one name for a > non-linear > >> time experience. when in > >> the zone' it seems like one has plenty of time > - to see > >> the ball etc. time > >> is slower for you than for your non-zoned > opponent. > >> > >> i suppose that extreme meditators get close to a > no-time > >> experience - for > >> the 'now' is eternal. > >> > >> > >> so i don't think you explode...or if you do it > is a > >> subtle explosion. > >> > >> > >>> How might it affect your flow rate? > >>> All at once? > >>> Wouldn't you explode? > >>> Conceptually speaking of course. > >>> Krimel > >>> > --------------------------------------------------- > >>> Gav said: > >>> time and space are patterns abstracted from > >> experience, > >>> like all others. > >>> they are not a priori categories of perception > a la > >> kant. > >>> in other words time and space, inextricably > linked of > >>> course, are perceptual > >>> constructs. they are conceptual. > >>> > >>> this is why time flows at different rates > dependent > >> upon > >>> the state of the > >>> perceiver. 'to see eternity in an > hour...' > >>> > >>> time is so everything doesn't happen at > once. > >>> > >>> > >>> --- On Mon, 18/8/08, Krimel > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I would say that Dr. Who has some of the > best > >>> speculation > >>>> available on that > >>>> question. He has been bouncing back and > forth > >> across > >>> his > >>>> own time line for > >>>> what; 30 something years now? Unless I am > >> mistaken he > >>> is > >>>> locked along the > >>>> same time continuum for some reason of > another. > >> But > >>>> didn't he skip into > >>>> another timeline once or twice? > >>>> > >>>> STNG did a great episode that was like. > the many > >>> worlds of > >>>> Worf, once. > >>>> Worf's of many different quantum > worlds > >> appears at > >>>> once. I recall that > >>>> Voyager's from two timelines met and > >> eventually > >>> one of > >>>> the Janeways had to > >>>> sacrifice her crew and ship to save the > other. > >>>> > >>>> If I really fell out of time/space I am > not sure > >> if > >>>> experience would even be > >>>> sequential. > >>>> > >>>> I don't know! 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