Hi Krimel
Krimel:
Wheeler's many worlds idea sort of goes with that but it is more like
timestreams separate from each other at each quantum choice point.
Yes, but that was not what I meant.
I'm not
sure that each quantum particle is coherent enough across time to have it's
own history, though. Plus from instant to instant aren't your biological
patterns composed of different quantum particles?
The term "quantum particle" is probably a contradiction in itself. Something
like quantum entity may be a better one. Anyway, just as my body is completely
exchanged (atom wise) every 7 or so years, it's of course possible that
inorganic particles can be renewed in a similar fashion, but I'm not sure about
me being composed of different quantum entities every instant?
After all what ever "identity" or "self" we have is in the pattern of
particles and fields, not the particles or fields themselves. Well, it least
unless you take Sheldrake seriously.
If you use "pattern" here, don't you mean a static pattern of value? And in that
case, you should also state which kind/level of pattern. I think the human
"self" you refer to is best described as intellectual patterns. Even if someone
loses both his legs and arms and then some, I guess you would still consider him
to be "himself". On the other hand, after a serious stroke, many people are not
themselves anymore.
And since the intellectual patterns of a person is dependent on all lower levels
of the body, then if the body vanishes so does the "self". It sounded as if you
thought the self could still be around even if the body disappeared, or perhaps
I misunderstood you?
Magnus
Krimel
-----Original Message-----
From: Magnus Berg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Space
Hi guys
I actually touched this subject in an essay I'm writing, but I don't think
*you*
as a whole person would be able to experience falling out of time/space.
What I speculate is that each quantum "particle" has its own
timeline/history.
The only thing that makes us able to exist in one time is that all those
quantum
particles now use the same timeline and space. If this wasn't the case, each
particle that you depend on would go back to its own spaceless timeline, so
you
would in a way explode, or rather just vanish.
Magnus
gav wrote:
okay...i see.
well i guess technically speaking everything that has happened or will
ever happen happens 'now'. that is the now contains all temporal events.
so...in theory it may be possible to travel back/forward in time, in some
manner of speaking.
i don't think you can get separated from time - the eternal is what
encompasses and sustains time - infinite time if you like. to be timeless is
to be in eternity - the basic primordial flux devoid of any conceptual
differentiation. maybe we visit this dimension in dreams....perhaps thatiis
what it feels like to be a time traveller.
--- On Mon, 18/8/08, Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MD] Falling out of Time/Scace
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: Monday, 18 August, 2008, 8:30 AM
I was thinking more along the line of becoming actually
disconnected from
space time. You are sounding more like Donnie Darko kind of
unstuck or Adian
Quinn in the Jacket kind of unstuck. I mean what if you
could move your
existence along the temporal dimension like Dr. Who does.
Back and forth. In
time.
heya,
So conceptually, abstractly how would your perceptions
be
changed if you
fell out or became unhinged from time/space in say, a
non a
priori way?
time is subject to dilation/contraction, depending upon
your state of mind.
when meditating time seems to lose its linear regularity.
two hours can seem
like a lot shorter. same sorta thing with marijuana or acid
- time dilates.
being 'in the zone' is one name for a non-linear
time experience. when in
the zone' it seems like one has plenty of time - to see
the ball etc. time
is slower for you than for your non-zoned opponent.
i suppose that extreme meditators get close to a no-time
experience - for
the 'now' is eternal.
so i don't think you explode...or if you do it is a
subtle explosion.
How might it affect your flow rate?
All at once?
Wouldn't you explode?
Conceptually speaking of course.
Krimel
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Gav said:
time and space are patterns abstracted from
experience,
like all others.
they are not a priori categories of perception a la
kant.
in other words time and space, inextricably linked of
course, are perceptual
constructs. they are conceptual.
this is why time flows at different rates dependent
upon
the state of the
perceiver. 'to see eternity in an hour...'
time is so everything doesn't happen at once.
--- On Mon, 18/8/08, Krimel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I would say that Dr. Who has some of the best
speculation
available on that
question. He has been bouncing back and forth
across
his
own time line for
what; 30 something years now? Unless I am
mistaken he
is
locked along the
same time continuum for some reason of another.
But
didn't he skip into
another timeline once or twice?
STNG did a great episode that was like. the many
worlds of
Worf, once.
Worf's of many different quantum worlds
appears at
once. I recall that
Voyager's from two timelines met and
eventually
one of
the Janeways had to
sacrifice her crew and ship to save the other.
If I really fell out of time/space I am not sure
if
experience would even be
sequential.
I don't know! Where do you guys think you
would be
if
you fell out of
time/space?
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