Magnus said to Krimel and DMB: ...Anyway, if you happen to read this, I'm "actually" with Krimel on this one. I don't think Pirsig has any good reasons to limit the social level to only humans. DMB, you seems to only take his word for it but have you really thought about what the social level is? Have you thought of any way to make a metaphysically relevant? As you describe it, the MoQ becomes almost as human centric as Ham's theories.
dmb says: For whatever its worth, I do usually read your posts and, based on your recent claim that the inside of a cell is a society, figured you'd disagree with me on this. And yes, of course I have thought about what the social level is. And yes, I do take Pirsig's word on what Pirsig means by the term "social". If we extend the term down to the biological level it no longer has the same meaning and we've only erased a useful distinction. I'd say this is relevant intellectually, if that's what you mean by metaphysically relevant. I mean, these descriptions and distinctions are just Pirsig's way of carving up experience. They're not supposed to be absolute or objectively true or any such thing. But they do have to be coherent and consistent with the MOQ as a whole and I think that expanding the definition of the social to include the non-human world is destructive of that coherence and consistency. If cells counted as social, for example, we might expect intellect to emerge from a cell and it otherwise makes the system fairly ridiculous. _________________________________________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588800/direct/01/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
