At 02:36 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
[Marsha] --
The patterned distribution of static quality or Quality? Static
quality is definition. Quality is beyond definition, at least
that is my understanding. The terms 'primary' and 'first cause' both
are definition making them static. It seems to me that you are
trying to reify Quality.
Interrelated causes and multiple conditions. How can these be
tracked?
While I think there is something in your theory that explains, to
some extent, the conceptualization process, most of it makes no
sense to me. Thanks for the response, but the reification of
Quality is a no-no.
You forced me to look up "reify" which, I confess, is not in my
vocabulary. Webster's says it is "to regard something abstract as a
material thing." Now, I don't know how you Pirsigians get from
"pure" Quality to material entities, but from what I've seen here,
an entity (thing) is a pattern. Even the self, you've said, is a
"collection of patterns". Correct me if I'm wrong, but it would
seem that reality is supposed to be "unpatterned" quality (DQ), and
finite entities are "patterned" quality (SQ).
I would state it like this: Experience (reality) is "unpatterned"
quality (DQ), and "patterned" quality (SQ).
Interrelated causes are intellectually perceived S-O creations. The
cause of an egg is the hen that lays it; the cause of a broken egg
is the hammer that smashes it, etc.
An egg is produced from interrelated causes and multiple
conditions. Same to produce a broken egg.
Such events relate to the differentiated universe of human
experience which attributes all phenomena to causal forces.
Direct causation has vaporized.
Perhaps that's reification, but I see it as the objectivist precept
that all events have an antecedent cause, except for the first event
(Big Bang?) which, according to the objectivists, occurred
spontaneously. Neither the essentialist nor the MoQist believes
that the essence of reality is substantive matter; in fact, we are
both phenomenalists who believe that material reality is an
experiential construct of Value or Quality.
So what's your beef about my statement, Marsha?
My beef is your insinuation that Quality, which is beyond definition,
needs to be associated with words like: primary, first, or
purpose. To call Quality the primary source is an attempt to make it
static, turn it into a static pattern of value. You go to far.
Marsha
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