Hello Marsha, Ian's answer was more eloquent than the one I had half-typed, so I'll just second the motion, as it were.
...as to thinking too much, I think that was what the old silent movie routine was about, the one where the figure painted himself into a corner. It took him a lot of work to think himself into a corner -- and confusion of SQ and DQ. ;-) thanks--mel ----- Original Message ----- From: "MarshaV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MD] sustaining? > At 10:41 AM 9/18/2008, you wrote: > >Marsha, > >I almost respnded too , but was going to pick-up on the "kill" > >statements rather than the "follow" question ... > > > >Both are problematic taken in isolation (as mel says). > > > >My point was that the kill (completely kill) is about the (static) > >patterns not about the intellect. > > Hi Ian, > > I completely agree. But can you think too much? > > > >And the "completely" is only in the context of the instruction to > >follow dynamic quality ... like Pirsig is not denying the (positive) > >static latching value of static patterns only their (negative) > >constraining value. > > I think following dynamic quality requires some intelligent > consideration, of course! But not too much. It's as I wrote to Ham > "Why not leave it a mystery??? Why not let it unfold before you in > all its many aspects?" Wow! Now I'm quoting myself!!! I am surely an idiot! > > Marsha > > > > > > >IMHO natch. > >Ian > > > >On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:33 AM, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > mel, > > > > > > Please explain what it means to you. I've posted this particular passage > > > mucho times, and I would like to know what you think about it. At the > > > moment, sustaining seems depressing. What do you think? > > > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:45 AM 9/18/2008, you wrote: > > >> > > >> The passage could also be made > > >> more approachable by punctuation changes. > > >> > > >> The style of a writer can introduce unintended > > >> implications to readers used to a different style. > > >> > > >> ...of course excerpting can alter the flow of an > > >> expression of meaning and Pirsig is dense with it. > > >> > > >> Hence, the need to re-read. > > >> > > >> thanks--mel > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "MarshaV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: "MD Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:46 AM > > >> Subject: [MD] sustaining? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > While sustaining biological and social patterns > > >> > Kill all intellectual patterns. > > >> > Kill them completely > > >> > And then follow Dynamic Quality > > >> > And morality will be served. > > >> > (LILA, Chapter 32) > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Sustaining is a tricky word? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > > > >> > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the > > >> stars......... > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > > > >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > >> > Archives: > > >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > >> > > >> Moq_Discuss mailing list > > >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > >> Archives: > > >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > . > > > . > > > > > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars......... > > > . > > > . > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > >Moq_Discuss mailing list > >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >Archives: > >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > . > . > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars......... > . > . > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
