Dear Marsha --


No, Ham.   Experience is reality, it creates subject and object.

You seem to be, as Mrs. Slocombe used to say on 'Are You Being Served?', "unanimous" about this!" That means we're at an impasse right from the start.

I can understand experience as the delineator or definer of existence, but I have a problem understanding it as a Creator. What do you believe experience is, if not awareness of being? If there is no subject and no object, there is nothing to qualify as experience. How can there be an "experiencer" with no being? How, then, can experience be reality? Leaving aside the question as to where experience comes from, this defies even the laws of cause-and-effect.

It's possible that you view experience as a pattern of some kind in the MoQ tradition, and just haven't mentioned it. But, then., you've previously said that the individual self is "a collection of patterns".

Perhaps you can elaborate on this concept of experience for me, and why being-aware is not an acceptable definition for existence. (I'll even consider a quote or two from Mr. Pirsig, if he supports your view.)

Thanks, Marsha

--Ham


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