[Ham laments that psychology...]
now rejects the most self-evident of human attributes and regards
"mental processes" as a product of biogenetic, neuro-physiological,
and sociological development.
[Arlo]
Excellent! We have now come full circle and are back to the questions
regarding "consciousness" (here referred to as "mind") that Ham so
conveniently evaded a short while back. (If you think "mind" and
"consciousness" are not the same, please explain to me the difference)
If the "mind" is NOT a product of biological or sociological
processes, then where does it come from? Last time the closest to
Chutzpah you could muster was "its a gift from on high". In other
words, like the "soul", "mind" is transcendent, mystic reality,
instilled into the messy gray matter of our skulls by God. Isn't that right?
Because, I am sure you would agree that neither an "egg" nor a
"sperm" have "mind", correct? So where in your "cosmogeny" does
"mind" enter the human body? At the moment of conception? Does that
initial fertilized egg have "mind"? No? Yes? Since you say clearly
that a human adult has "mind", then certainly somewhere along the
line between egg/sperm and adult male "mind" has to enter the scene
somehow? So I ask... how?
And now to go back to our last thread. You've said outright that
"mind" has evolved over time historically (phylogenesis). If "mind"
is a "gift from God", then perhaps you'd like to stand up and support
your notion that God "updates the model" each generation so that over
time successive generations of humans have a more evolved mind. Or,
perhaps your "cosmogeny" can answer "why" humans of early epochs had
"lesser evolved" minds than modern humans? I get the whole "God as a
software designer who keeps churning out refined software each year",
but it doesn't speak very highly for the "designer" does it?
Let's also remember that you've said at some point in the historic
timeline, mind did not exist. Then at another point, mind did exist.
Are you ready to answer the question, "what changed?" Or should we
just assume that "God poofed mind into the timeline" is about the
best you have to offer?
You've also said that "mind" evolves over the lifespan of the
individual (microgenesis), since this "evolution" can't (in your
opinion) have anything to do with the evolving biology of the
organism, and it can't (again, in your opinion) have anything to do
with the sociality of the individual, then how and why does "mind"
evolve over time?
Is it like a floating mystic organ that hovers near the body and
evolves on its own irrespective of the body or social processes?
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